Can Indiana be a consistent winner under Coach Crean?

[Dalton26 16,892]

[quote name="jurkinonthecourt" post="72223" timestamp="1403903308"]My point is that my solution is to stick with Crean because I think we're on the right path. The rest of the Crean critics just continually state the issues they have with him, but have no solution. Until both sides have realistic solutions, there really isn't much of an argument.

If people aren't happy with our current coach, look for a coach that can bring what the want to the table. But the problem is that it has to be realistic. Sean Miller, Brad Stevens, and the likes just aren't realistic options.


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That's fine. I'll never tell someone how they should feel about the situation because everyone sees things differently. My point is that you can't ask me for names because we won't have any clue to who will be interested when the opening happens. That's the AD's job. He'll know before the job comes open. Anytime someone throws out a name they get the "he wouldn't take the job" every time. Fact of the matter is that none of us have a clue either way.


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[Dalton26 16,892]

[quote name="HoosierAloha" post="72225" timestamp="1403903455"]Give one reason any of those coaches would leave their current jobs. I could give you multiple reasons why they would stay.


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I'm not sure if you read what I said but I'm guessing based on your reply that you clearly didn't. I said I didn't think they would but people also didn't think Stevens would leave Butler when he did. As I said crazier things happen.


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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

[quote name="dalton26" post="72227" timestamp="1403903683"]That's fine. I'll never tell someone how they should feel about the situation because everyone sees things differently. My point is that you can't ask me for names because we won't have any clue to who will be interested when the opening happens. That's the AD's job. He'll know before the job comes open. Anytime someone throws out a name they get the "he wouldn't take the job" every time. Fact of the matter is that none of us have a clue either way.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app[/quote] I agree. It's my opinion that until we have an idea of who might be better fit to replace Crean, any fire Crean talks are pointless. Dissecting his in game coaching or decisions he makes is totally fair, it's just not valuable to argue that he should go until there is a solution.


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[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

My take on this whole topic is that we know we are going into next season with Crean as our coach. Hes gotten us to Sweet 16s before, thats an achievement, especially considering where the team was when he came on board. Whether it was underachieving, disappointing, or whatever is fair. We won the B1G and that was nice. Nobody, as far as I can see, is sitting back and saying Crean has done nothing here. He took a program that was clinging to life and brought it out of the dumpster. 

 

We had a bad season, but are in a lot better shape than we were. I don't think anyone necessarily thinks that every year would have no tournament birth with coach Crean. Its a matter of identifying IU. Yes, we haven't won a title since 1987. But with all of the history and fan support, in my view at least, we are a sleeping giant of a program. Win consistently, like we got a taste of under Crean, and we are mentioned in the same breath as Carolina, Duke, Kentucky etc. 

 

I believe all critiques of Crean's style of play, roster management, etc is fair. You can't only look at records or accolades in sports. Those are only a portion of the full story. 

 

But what I do know and firmly believe is IU is out of the dumps... and we can not afford to go back in. Another bad season from Crean and hopefully a good option presents itself. If we have a good season... great! Progress!

 

Doesn't matter who gets us there for me, just as long as we do it the right way. Oh, and the sooner the better. 

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

[quote name="dalton26" post="72228" timestamp="1403903788"]I'm not sure if you read what I said but I'm guessing based on your reply that you clearly didn't. I said I didn't think they would but people also didn't think Stevens would leave Butler when he did. As I said crazier things happen.


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I did read what you wrote. The argument that you can't name coaches who would turn it down doesn't hold water.

As far as having a plan in place to succeed Crean goes, there shouldn't be a plan as of yet. If this season is a disaster they better start looking.


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[Dalton26 16,892]

[quote name="HoosierAloha" post="72238" timestamp="1403905207"]I did read what you wrote. The argument that you can't name coaches who would turn it down doesn't hold water.

As far as having a plan in place to succeed Crean goes, there shouldn't be a plan as of yet. If this season is a disaster they better start looking.


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It holds as much water as yours.

You also can't wait until the last minute either.



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[HoosierAloha 30,024]

[quote name="dalton26" post="72241" timestamp="1403906484"]It holds as much water as yours.

You also can't wait until the last minute either.



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Okay...

I never said anything about waiting until the last minute. What kind of message are you sending to coaches if you replace Crean now, not fans, possible future coaches of IU. If you come to IU and have a down year we are going to replace you. Yeah, I'm sure even more top coaches are going to jump at the opportunity to coach at IU.

I'm not saying Crean is the guy that takes IU to the pinnacle of college basketball but some will never appreciate what he has done. IU hasn't been elite for a long time because of bad decisions made by those in charge. Canning Crean now would be just another dumb decision that would set us back. It appears some would just like to take that one in a million shot, after all it isn't their money or livelihood on the line.


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[Dalton26 16,892]

[quote name="HoosierAloha" post="72243" timestamp="1403907477"]Okay...

I never said anything about waiting until the last minute. What kind of message are you sending to coaches if you replace Crean now, not fans, possible future coaches of IU. If you come to IU and have a down year we are going to replace you. Yeah, I'm sure even more top coaches are going to jump at the opportunity to coach at IU.

I'm not saying Crean is the guy that takes IU to the pinnacle of college basketball but some will never appreciate what he has done. IU hasn't been elite for a long time because of bad decisions made by those in charge. Canning Crean now would be just another dumb decision that would set us back. It appears some would just like to take that one in a million shot, after all it isn't their money or livelihood on the line.


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I've never said can him now. Lol I said from the get go I'd wait another year but I don't think he's the man for the job. I've also said that I hope he proves me wrong. This nonsense some people spew that he's got us to a sweet 16 so we shouldn't complain is mind numbing. (That's not directed at you just a general statement.)


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[HoosierAloha 30,024]

What did the program do in the 20ish years prior to those back to back Sweet 16s and conference title? He's done more in a short time than what was accomplished in the 14ish years prior. There needs to be an upward trajectory with the program. Last season was a setback, remain levelheaded and move forward.

IF there is a change in the next few years and it's not a smooth transition we could be royally screwed.


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[JSHoosier 19,817]

What did the program do in the 20ish years prior to those back to back Sweet 16s and conference title? He's done more in a short time than what was accomplished in the 14ish years prior. There needs to be an upward trajectory with the program. Last season was a setback, remain levelheaded and move forward.

IF there is a change in the next few years and it's not a smooth transition we could be royally screwed.


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The administration would have to do their homework ahead of time, and be 100% confident they have their man.  No more of those stupid search committees.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="72247" timestamp="1403908754"]The administration would have to do their homework ahead of time, and be 100% confident they have their man. No more of those stupid search committees.[/quote]

Agreed, start following coaches who might be a replacement. Follow them and get information on them but don't limit your search. Once the time is right, make your move. As far as the timing goes we're still a few years out if things continue like last season.


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[Dalton26 16,892]

[quote name="HoosierAloha" post="72249" timestamp="1403909363"]Agreed, start following coaches who might be a replacement. Follow them and get information on them but don't limit your search. Once the time is right, make your move.

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Couldn't agree more.


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[JSHoosier 19,817]

Agreed, start following coaches who might be a replacement. Follow them and get information on them but don't limit your search. Once the time is right, make your move. As far as the timing goes we're still a few years out if things continue like last season.


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I'd let him go after this season if it's like the last one.  Letting a few seasons like the last one continue wouldn't do any good either.

[JSHoosier 19,817]

Now I have to rant.

 

When Crean was hired he said "it's Indiana, it's Indiana.  The place I feel is the absolute pinnacle of college basketball".  We ate it up, finally a coach that understands what is expected here.  We ate it up by the shovel full and wanted more.  Now 6 years later we're coming off an awful season and under achieved in 2 of the previous 3, at best (I would argue 3 of 4), and some of us aren't happy with it because "it's Indiana, it's Indiana" and you have to do better than that here and it's completely different.  The expectations are too high for him, so instead of holding him to the expectations we're supposed to adjust the expectations.  I don't get it.  Those top coaches are hard to find, but they are out there and we have everything they would need to win.  I don't get saying "golly gee Ward, those top coaches are hard to find.  Better just sit here", at all.  When the likes of K and Izzo and Self and Williams retire that won't be the end of the top coaches, there are ones out there that will take over those spots and I don't believe Crean is one of them no matter now long he's given.

 

Rant over.

[Hovadipo 55,016]

And to think...I made fun of this thread when it started.


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[Hoosier Cowboy 33]

Now I have to rant.

When Crean was hired he said "it's Indiana, it's Indiana. The place I feel is the absolute pinnacle of college basketball". We ate it up, finally a coach that understands what is expected here. We ate it up by the shovel full and wanted more. Now 6 years later we're coming off an awful season and under achieved in 2 of the previous 3, at best (I would argue 3 of 4), and some of us aren't happy with it because "it's Indiana, it's Indiana" and you have to do better than that here and it's completely different. The expectations are too high for him, so instead of holding him to the expectations we're supposed to adjust the expectations. I don't get it. Those top coaches are hard to find, but they are out there and we have everything they would need to win. I don't get saying "golly gee Ward, those top coaches are hard to find. Better just sit here", at all. When the likes of K and Izzo and Self and Williams retire that won't be the end of the top coaches, there are ones out there that will take over those spots and I don't believe Crean is one of them no matter now long he's given.

Rant over.

Nice post

[nick242 12]

[quote name="Scohutch" post="71916" timestamp="1403797711"]After all the craziness that happened after Knight left, we can't just expect to be winning national titles again. I'm pretty happy with how Crean has moved us back into tournament territory. although last year was really rough, i'm happy to have Crean in there for now doing what he's done. I mean, if you think about it, we are much further along now to where we want to be than where we were when Crean first took the job. Progress. A lot is riding on this next season. If our program can be consistent (minus the blip of last year) in making tournaments, then we can become more and more relevant, thus getting better recruits and so on.

Yeah, i'm in a serious hurry to get another title and make deep runs in the tournament, but it doesn't really work that way. You have to work towards it and take steps to make it there and sometimes the patience it takes is too much to handle. I think we are moving in a very positive direction and having a good season for 2014-15 will be crucial in us getting to where we want to be.

We have the best fans in the country. let's rally behind our team AND OUR COACH this year in full force and will ourselves into winning some close games and tough match-ups. confidence is important in basketball and our guys need to feel like they are invincible on the court. We as fans play a major role in that.

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[nick242 12]

157 comments dang


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[schoosier 3,451]

Agreed, start following coaches who might be a replacement. Follow them and get information on them but don't limit your search. Once the time is right, make your move. As far as the timing goes we're still a few years out if things continue like last season. Sent from my sarcastic iPhone using BrownBanners

If we have another season like last and all predictions point to it, Crean will be fired. In finding suitable replacements back channels are used like Eddie Fogler who has found a nice niche doing exactly this. He reaches out to coaches agent then agents reaches back if there is interest. This way no one gets outed and no one gets hurt since its off the record. If I was Glass I would already have my short list of top coaches and be doing this. I would be willing to bet he already has. I can give you my top choices or refer you to my previous post regarding this. We are a destination school that many top coaches would give a hard look. As an example just look at our former baseball coach. He had most everything here including facilities, players and coaches. Yet he leaves for a bluebood program. We can and would find a top coach there is no doubt.

[Dunn Woods 92]

if we play 10 teams in the bottom 200 of the RPI each year, yeah we can probably win 16-19 games every year under Crean

 

I freaking hate existence right now