Can Indiana be a consistent winner under Coach Crean?

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[quote name="Hoosier Cowboy" post="72177" timestamp="1403891998"]Three in our own conference. Matra, Izzo and Beilein. And Ryan would be four if not for a couple of esrly round flame outs but he is still outperforming Cresn substantially.[/quote]

So IU could bring in Matta, Izzo, or Beiilein?


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[quote name="JSHoosier" post="72180" timestamp="1403892187"]He's trying to balance classes? Really? In 2011 he took 3 freshman, in 2012 he took 5, in 2013 he took 6, in 2014 he has 7 and has said he has 2 more scholarships available. He's trying to balance classes? Sure doesn't look like it. Keeping that up will not maintain success. We're returning 4 starters, the team is still very young (thanks to having unbalanced classes) and it's still poorly constructed.[/quote] I've provided you with an example of how Crean is improving, and you say, "Yeah, but we're still too young." The is no pleasing you. This year we will have two juniors, two sophomores and a freshman starting, presumably. The following year will most likely consist of two seniors, two juniors and a sophomore. Progress is being made.


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Three in our own conference. Matra, Izzo and Beilein. And Ryan would be four if not for a couple of esrly round flame outs but he is still outperforming Cresn substantially.

Crean beat three of the four of these guys last year with the team that everyone is calling for his job about.

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[quote name="jurkinonthecourt" post="72171" timestamp="1403891128"]You said he's been to the Elite Eight and my point is that will not satisfy the critics. No need to lecture me. I bet if we all watched Sean Miller and followed his program's every move like we do with Crean we'd all be talking about the glaring wholes in his game plan as well.


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I have watched him at both Xavier and Arizona and his teams play better defense and know how to stretch the floor. I know that all coached have their weakness , but as of right now in my opinion ( and that's all it is) he's better then Coach Crean.


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I've provided you with an example of how Crean is improving, and you say, "Yeah, but we're still too young." The is no pleasing you. This year we will have two juniors, two sophomores and a freshman starting, presumably. The following year will most likely consist of two seniors, two juniors and a sophomore. Progress is being made.


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And I provided you with an example of how he is not balancing classes.  When you bring classes like that you'll have years where you return most of your starters.  I've said bringing in classes that size will not sustain success, there will be those years like this past year where you lose most of your starters and rely on all freshman.  Which means this past year isn't a blip.

 

My point is that while we're returning players this year, if we keep bring 5 or 6 or 7 (or more) freshman that will not be sustained.  To keep having years like you're talking about you have to balance classes, which he's not.

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Crean beat three of the four of these guys last year with the team that everyone is calling for his job about.

Looking head to head isn't a good way to judge a coach's ability.  Mike Davis once beat Rick Pitino, Tom Izzo and Coach K in the same year and he's a clown that couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.

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Crean beat three of the four of these guys last year with the team that everyone is calling for his job about.

.... Did we make any postseason and I missed it? Because those guys definitely did, with Beilein and Ryan all going deeper than Crean has at IU. The point being made is that some of you guys are acting like it is perfectly acceptable we missed the postseason. I don't see anyone here saying anything about winning championships right now, they are complaining about how much we're paying Crean and he hasn't appeared to earn top ten coach salary. It really isn't acceptable at this point in his coaching tenure here that he missed all postseason tournaments. The we shouldn't even consider looking for Crean's replacement arguments don't really make sense to me. He probably underachieved with the 2012-2013 squad, and definitely underachieved with the 2013-2014 squad. 

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I was upset about not making the post season just as much as the next guy.

 

I am just of the opinion that one bad year in a series of good years doesn't mean that there will be a pattern of bad years. People tend to blow things out of proportion. Let's see what happens this year,then we can take a better look.

 

Honestly; it's casual friday, it's a beautiful day, and my girlfriend and I are going on date night tonight. I am just throwing fuel to the fire so I don't have to work overly hard (I am a legal intern).

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I was upset about not making the post season just as much as the next guy.

 

I am just of the opinion that one bad year in a series of good years doesn't mean that there will be a pattern of bad years. People tend to blow things out of proportion. Let's see what happens this then we can take a better look.

 

Honestly, it's casual friday, it's a beautiful day, and my girlfriend and I are going on date night tonight. I am just throwing fuel to the fire so I don't have to work overly hard (I am a legal intern).

I can see that line of thought. I do disagree that people are blowing it out of proportion, making the tournament in this age isn't difficult. I have said give him one more season, if things don't improve then we need to seriously look in other directions, not necessarily fire him, but definitely look for an improvement

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So IU could bring in Matta, Izzo, or Beiilein?


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No but if those 3 football schools in our own coference can find excellent basketball coaches, then why can't a basketball school like Zi diana do the same?

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[quote name="Hoosier Cowboy" post="72208" timestamp="1403901382"]No but if those 3 football schools in our own coference can find excellent basketball coaches, then why can't a basketball school like Zi diana do the same?[/quote] Can we stop calling MSU a football school? OSU and Michigan can hardly be tossed aside as not caring about basketball either.


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Who? Give a name that IU could land right now. Keep in mind IU would be firing a coach one year removed from a B1G championship and back to back Sweet 16s.


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[quote name="HoosierAloha" post="72213" timestamp="1403902188"]Who? Give a name that IU could land right now. Keep in mind IU would be firing a coach one year removed from a B1G championship and back to back Sweet 16s.


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That's what kills me. People say "give me a name". Its a different ball game if the job is open. There will be different names pop up if the job was open. That's how it always works. Let me ask you a question. Give me a name that wouldn't take it? You can't answer it either. Fact of the matter is neither side can give an answer until the time comes.


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[quote name="dalton26" post="72216" timestamp="1403902570"]That's what kills me. People say "give me a name". Its a different ball game if the job is open. There will be different names pop up if the job was open. That's how it always works. Let me ask you a question. Give me a name that wouldn't take it? You can't answer it either. Fact of the matter is neither side can give an answer until the time comes.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app[/quote] The question of who would replace him is a question that seeks a better solution to a problem instead of just stating the problems with no solution for fixing it. That's why it is a good question.


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[quote name="dalton26" post="72216" timestamp="1403902570"]That's what kills me. People say "give me a name". Its a different ball game if the job is open. There will be different names pop up if the job was open. That's how it always works. Let me ask you a question. Give me a name that wouldn't take it? You can't answer it either. Fact of the matter is neither side can give an answer until the time comes.


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Coach K, Donovan, Izzo, Matta, Beilein, Sean Miller, Cal, Ollie, Pitino...


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[quote name="jurkinonthecourt" post="72218" timestamp="1403902643"]The question of who would replace him is a question that seeks a better solution to a problem instead of just stating the problems with no solution for fixing it. That's why it is a good question.


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It's not. We can throw names out all we want but once the job opens up it's a completely different ball game. That's why glass gets paid to do his job. He'll have feelers out before the jobs even open so he'll have an idea of who is interested where we can't. The "name a coach" question is nothing but a useless ploy to try to better your argument. I can't name who would even be interested just like you can't name who wouldn't. Fact is neither of us know


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[quote name="HoosierAloha" post="72219" timestamp="1403902886"]Coach K, Donovan, Izzo, Matta, Beilein, Sean Miller, Cal, Ollie, Pitino...


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Oh so you know who wouldn't be interested for a fact? Great glad you have connections. I'm not saying any of them would because I doubt any would but things change. You're just guessing just like I would be.


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[quote name="dalton26" post="72221" timestamp="1403903084"]It's not. We can throw names out all we want but once the job opens up it's a completely different ball game. That's why glass gets paid to do his job. He'll have feelers out before the jobs even open so he'll have an idea of who is interested where we can't. The "name a coach" question is nothing but a useless ploy to try to better your argument. I can't name who would even be interested just like you can't name who wouldn't. Fact is neither of us know


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app[/quote] My point is that my solution is to stick with Crean because I think we're on the right path. The rest of the Crean critics just continually state the issues they have with him, but have no solution. Until both sides have realistic solutions, there really isn't much of an argument.

If people aren't happy with our current coach, look for a coach that can bring what the want to the table. But the problem is that it has to be realistic. Sean Miller, Brad Stevens, and the likes just aren't realistic options.


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Give one reason any of those coaches would leave their current jobs. I could give you multiple reasons why they would stay.


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