(2014) SF Josh Cunningham to Bradley

[NotTheReal HoosierHoopster 67]

I'm willing to give Crean another year to right the ship. I belive that last season was an anomoly. The roster turnover, two of which were lottery picks, and the loss of a couple transfers coupled with underperforming recruits made things extrmely difficult. I think there is reason to be optimistic about 2014-15. Maybe I'm wrong.. I like the pieces that are in place though.

I keep thinking about Crean's 2007-2008 Marquette team. They were small but extrmely efficient and won a lot of games. They ended up losing in the second round of the tourney in OT to a good Stanford team. They started 3 guards, a swing forward, and rotated a big man. Dominic James, who was from the Indy area I believe, started at PG @ 5'11.. Not that I am happy or satisfied with losing in the 2nd round of the tourney, but I think this team has just as much, if not more talent than that Marquette team.. .

Beillein didn't have any trouble this year having a young team and losing draft picks from last season.

It's just too bad that we're going to continue to lose ground to football schools such as OSU, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin and Nebraska. It's just really a pathetic situation.

[TheStillman 991]

[quote name="Hoosier Hoopster" post="58178" timestamp="1396917262"]Beillein didn't have any trouble this year having a young team and losing draft picks from last season.

It's just too bad that we're going to continue to lose ground to football schools such as OSU, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin and Nebraska. It's just really a pathetic situation.[/quote]

IU and Crean are not losing ground to MSU, Wisconsin and OSU, the program has been behind them for over 2 decades now


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[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

Beillein didn't have any trouble this year having a young team and losing draft picks from last season.

It's just too bad that we're going to continue to lose ground to football schools such as OSU, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin and Nebraska. It's just really a pathetic situation.

 

What makes you think that IU is going to continue to lose ground? Nebraska? Isn't this year the first time they've made the tournament in like 20 years? The other teams you mentioned have been solid basketball programs for YEARS. Your comment epitomizes the doom and gloom type of fan that seems to hoover around IU basketball these days. This team went from 1 or 2 returning players to back to back Sweet 16 apperances in a few years. Why all of a sudden after 1 mediocre season are people having to defend the program?

 

Remember 2010-2011? IU went 12-20. Fast forward one year to 2011-2012 when UNRANKED Indiana knocked off #1 Kentucky and went on to win 27 games virtually out of nowhere and take Kentucky to the limit a second time in the Sweet 16?

 

This isn't 1987! Stop living in the 70's and 80's and realize this is not the same Bob Knight, dynasty program that it used to be. Should they field a respectable team and have the chance to compete come tourney time? Absolutely. Are people dropping to their knees out of respect for IU basketball like they did 30-40 years ago? No. Be realistic with your expectations.

[Gahoosierfan 272]

Baltimore Hoosier, I think you epitomize what is wrong with IU basketball. You are willing to settle for a pretty good team every few years. Most of us want IU to compete on the level of UK, UConn, MSU, UM, Wisconsin, etc. We are not willing to let IU be a mediocre team that hovers around the top 25 every few years. That is not good enough.

[TheStillman 991]

Baltimore Hoosier, I think you epitomize what is wrong with IU basketball. You are willing to settle for a pretty good team every few years. Most of us want IU to compete on the level of UK, UConn, MSU, UM, Wisconsin, etc. We are not willing to let IU be a mediocre team that hovers around the top 25 every few years. That is not good enough.

 

If there is anything that is wrong with college basketball it is not a fan being realistic about where the program is.  Is BaltimoreHoosier in Cook Hall telling the players to settle?

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

Baltimore Hoosier, I think you epitomize what is wrong with IU basketball. You are willing to settle for a pretty good team every few years. Most of us want IU to compete on the level of UK, UConn, MSU, UM, Wisconsin, etc. We are not willing to let IU be a mediocre team that hovers around the top 25 every few years. That is not good enough.

 

Lets be clear, I want IU to compete on that level.. I just don't think it's realistic or rational for fans like you, who are the real problem, to jump ship if every few years there is a mediocre season or a tourney miss. This team just finally turned things around 3 seasons ago after he who must not be named left this program in shambles. So after 2 back to back Sweet 16 apperances (which were IU's best seasons in years, and really the best team they've had since 2002, and before that the early 90's), a one season slip isn't something I'm going to get all up-in-arms about.

 

Now if the mediocrity continues, then I think we have a problem.

[fivestarhtm 18]

Well I'll have to say creans first sweet sixteen not a bad year. But last years sweet sixteen was a mediocre year tht team was much more talented than a sweet sixteen finish. It was one of indiana better teams might be one of the top 3-5 teams ever, so in my eyes it was a let down an IU as far as I see it is a basketball school, basketball state in everyone's eyes should get to the tourney an compete every year


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[TheStillman 991]

Well I'll have to say creans first sweet sixteen not a bad year. But last years sweet sixteen was a mediocre year tht team was much more talented than a sweet sixteen finish. It was one of indiana better teams might be one of the top 3-5 teams ever, so in my eyes it was a let down an IU as far as I see it is a basketball school, basketball state in everyone's eyes should get to the tourney an compete every year


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We win our first outright B1G title in 20 years and people call it mediocre.  You guys are delusional.

[Hovadipo 55,107]

Hey guys...there's a thread(s) for this.


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[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

The tournament is about matchups, and IU drew the short end of the stick with Syracuse and that zone. But as a poster above said.. First BT Title in 20 years and people are complaining.

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

We win our first outright B1G title in 20 years and people call it mediocre.  You guys are delusional.

 

The end goal is not a BIG title. It's Indiana. We have five banners on the wall. Tournament success is an expectation.

[Stuhoo 79,732]

I am not getting any of my Josh Cunningham news that was implied by this thread title...

 

Why oh why has the Josh Cunningham thread become "Josh Cunningham-less"!

[mdn82 25,510]

[quote name="Gahoosierfan" post="58446" timestamp="1396966208"]Baltimore Hoosier, I think you epitomize what is wrong with IU basketball. You are willing to settle for a pretty good team every few years. Most of us want IU to compete on the level of UK, UConn, MSU, UM, Wisconsin, etc. We are not willing to let IU be a mediocre team that hovers around the top 25 every few years. That is not good enough.[/quote]Actually UK and UConn missed the tournament last year. Wisconsin hovers around 25 year in and year out with an early exit typically every year. MSU is probably the closest to the exception to your list but had underperformed recently. Basically what you wanted to bash him for is what you aim to be by your list.


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[Stuhoo 79,732]

Actually UK and UConn missed the tournament last year. Wisconsin hovers around 25 year in and year out with an early exit typically every year. MSU is probably the closest to the exception to your list but had underperformed recently. Basically what you wanted to bash him for is what you aim to be by your list.


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Moreover...UConn has missed the tourney because of their low APR/lack of academic standards. 

 

UK cheats, has not graduated a scholly recruit since Cal arrived, and got their rear end handed to them by Robert Morris last year.

 

IU has not "hovered around the top 25" the past few years:

Two years ago we finished the season in the top 15 and spent considerable time in the top ten.

Last year we were #1 for more weeks than any other team, and finished ranked in the top ten.

The past year we had a bad go. 

 

So, save for the use of a complete misstatement of facts, you have fully supported your position ;)

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,961]

Let's please keep this about Josh Cunningham.

[mamasa 15,152]

Let's please keep this about Josh Cunningham.

 

Who?

[JSHoosier 19,826]

Lets be clear, I want IU to compete on that level.. I just don't think it's realistic or rational for fans like you, who are the real problem, to jump ship if every few years there is a mediocre season or a tourney miss. This team just finally turned things around 3 seasons ago after he who must not be named left this program in shambles. So after 2 back to back Sweet 16 apperances (which were IU's best seasons in years, and really the best team they've had since 2002, and before that the early 90's), a one season slip isn't something I'm going to get all up-in-arms about.

 

Now if the mediocrity continues, then I think we have a problem.

I don't think people are really "jumping ship" because of this year, which isn't mediocre it's awful.  Mediocre is making the tournament and losing early.  They're "jumping ship" because of the problems we've seen for years on end with no improvement to speak of, which is a direct reflection of coaching.  For 6 years we've seen a stagnant half court offense, no improvement on that front.  For 6 years we've seen turnover problems, no improvement on that front either.  For the last 3 years we haven't been able to feed the post or even utilize a talented big properly, no improvement again.  It has to be alarming.

 

The real concerning thing is if you actually look at the entirely of Crean's history, the trend is mediocrity.  He followed up the Final Four by missing the tournament two years in a row then he couldn't get past the second round.  The Final Four is the outlier, and IMO a fluke, seasons like this aren't unusual with him.  At a place that has the expectations that IU should, it's not good enough.  He won't get the job done.  We all appreciate turning the program around, but the rebuild is over and expectations shifted so at this point that's irrelevant.  It's not "look what he did" it's "what can he do", his history says not much.  He's not good enough going forward.

 

I disagree about what the problem is.  The problem isn't the fans that refuse to accept mediocrity, they have the expectations a program like IU should have.  The problem is fans that will settle for mediocrity, that will lower the bar so they don't have to say the coach did an awful job and that the team failed and this season both are true.  It's takes some mental gymnastics to take things that are directly the coach's fault and use them to try and absolve criticism, that's a problem.  Refusing to lower the bar isn't.

 

This thread is about Cunningham.  If you want to talk about Crean, take it to one of the other threads about him.  There are plenty and rightfully so he deserves every last bit of criticism he's gotten and then some.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

I don't think people are really "jumping ship" because of this year, which isn't mediocre it's awful.  Mediocre is making the tournament and losing early.  They're "jumping ship" because of the problems we've seen for years on end with no improvement to speak of, which is a direct reflection of coaching.  For 6 years we've seen a stagnant half court offense, no improvement on that front.  For 6 years we've seen turnover problems, no improvement on that front either.  For the last 3 years we haven't been able to feed the post or even utilize a talented big properly, no improvement again.  It has to be alarming.

 

The real concerning thing is if you actually look at the entirely of Crean's history, the trend is mediocrity.  He followed up the Final Four by missing the tournament two years in a row then he couldn't get past the second round.  The Final Four is the outlier, and IMO a fluke, seasons like this aren't unusual with him.  At a place that has the expectations that IU should, it's not good enough.  He won't get the job done.  We all appreciate turning the program around, but the rebuild is over and expectations shifted so at this point that's irrelevant.  It's not "look what he did" it's "what can he do", his history says not much.  He's not good enough going forward.

 

I disagree about what the problem is.  The problem isn't the fans that refuse to accept mediocrity, they have the expectations a program like IU should have.  The problem is fans that will settle for mediocrity, that will lower the bar so they don't have to say the coach did an awful job and that the team failed and this season both are true.  It's takes some mental gymnastics to take things that are directly the coach's fault and use them to try and absolve criticism, that's a problem.  Refusing to lower the bar isn't.

 

This thread is about Cunningham.  If you want to talk about Crean, take it to one of the other threads about him.  There are plenty and rightfully so he deserves every last bit of criticism he's gotten and then some.

 

 

irony

[NotTheReal HoosierHoopster 67]

I don't think people are really "jumping ship" because of this year, which isn't mediocre it's awful. Mediocre is making the tournament and losing early. They're "jumping ship" because of the problems we've seen for years on end with no improvement to speak of, which is a direct reflection of coaching. For 6 years we've seen a stagnant half court offense, no improvement on that front. For 6 years we've seen turnover problems, no improvement on that front either. For the last 3 years we haven't been able to feed the post or even utilize a talented big properly, no improvement again. It has to be alarming.

The real concerning thing is if you actually look at the entirely of Crean's history, the trend is mediocrity. He followed up the Final Four by missing the tournament two years in a row then he couldn't get past the second round. The Final Four is the outlier, and IMO a fluke, seasons like this aren't unusual with him. At a place that has the expectations that IU should, it's not good enough. He won't get the job done. We all appreciate turning the program around, but the rebuild is over and expectations shifted so at this point that's irrelevant. It's not "look what he did" it's "what can he do", his history says not much. He's not good enough going forward.

I disagree about what the problem is. The problem isn't the fans that refuse to accept mediocrity, they have the expectations a program like IU should have. The problem is fans that will settle for mediocrity, that will lower the bar so they don't have to say the coach did an awful job and that the team failed and this season both are true. It's takes some mental gymnastics to take things that are directly the coach's fault and use them to try and absolve criticism, that's a problem. Refusing to lower the bar isn't.

This thread is about Cunningham. If you want to talk about Crean, take it to one of the other threads about him. There are plenty and rightfully so he deserves every last bit of criticism he's gotten and then some.

This is a fantastic post.

[Dalton26 16,892]

Has there been any new news about who he's leaning towards?


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