(2017) SF Kris Wilkes to UCLA

[X-Hoosier 529]

Right, but they're not *really* wanting him just yet. He's been coming to IU, knowing Crean, since what? 6th, 7th grade? Hopefully Kentucky doesn't offer

Because recruiting kids so young always helps right? When Kentucky offers they'll be the frontrunner. They might be the frontrunner now without offering. I doubt Wilkes wants to hear "come get your degree." He wants to hear "you're going to the NBA after a year." That is what Cal wants. That's what top recruits wants. And I wouldn't blame Wilkes for going there if he wants to go to the NBA.

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[MadAboutIndiana 402]

Because recruiting kids so young always helps right? When Kentucky offers they'll be the frontrunner. They might be the frontrunner now without offering. I doubt Wilkes wants to hear "come get your degree." He wants to hear "you're going to the NBA after a year." That is what Cal wants. That's what top recruits wants. And I wouldn't blame Wilkes for going there if he wants to go to the NBA.

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It doesn't matter where you go. Kris Wilkes could go to IPFW and go in the first round.

I doubt IUs pitch is about getting his degree so I don't know why you bring that up, but okay...?

If he's worried about being developed for the NBA, he shouldn't go to Kentucky.

[X-Hoosier 529]

It doesn't matter where you go. Kris Wilkes could go to IPFW and go in the first round.

I doubt IUs pitch is about getting his degree so I don't know why you bring that up, but okay...?

If he's worried about being developed for the NBA, he shouldn't go to Kentucky.

So he should go to Indiana right? With our 4 NBA players.

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[southsidehoosier 5,027]

It doesn't matter where you go. Kris Wilkes could go to IPFW and go in the first round.

I doubt IUs pitch is about getting his degree so I don't know why you bring that up, but okay...?

If he's worried about being developed for the NBA, he shouldn't go to Kentucky.

If he's worried about being developed for the NBA D-league he should go to Kentucky.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

1 hour ago, X-Hoosier said:

So he should go to Indiana right? With our 4 NBA players.

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No, but wanting to go to the NBA does not make UK the best choice automatically. Crean has a much better track record for player development than Calipari, in my opinion. Depends if Wilkes sees areas for improvement in his own game, and if a team presents the opportunities for him to work on those areas of his game. Crean has consistently shown he is willing to allow players to expand their roles and areas of their game they might not work on at other schools.

Next, Indiana has produced 3 NBA players since 2013, with more to come by the looks of our current team. So will UK, but it's not like Crean hasn't produced NBA players, and certainly hasn't hurt any elite players who have played for him.

[X-Hoosier 529]

No, but wanting to go to the NBA does not make UK the best choice automatically. Crean has a much better track record for player development than Calipari, in my opinion. Depends if Wilkes sees areas for improvement in his own game, and if a team presents the opportunities for him to work on those areas of his game. Crean has consistently shown he is willing to allow players to expand their roles and areas of their game they might not work on at other schools.

Next, Indiana has produced 4 NBA players since 2013, with more to come by the looks of our current team. So will UK, but it's not like Crean hasn't produced NBA players, and certainly hasn't hurt any elite players who have played for him.

Indiana has produced 4 NBA since 2008. 3 since 2013.

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23 minutes ago, X-Hoosier said:

Indiana has produced 4 NBA since 2008. 3 since 2013.

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Look at his track record though, with all his big time prospects he has only made them better. Cody was in discussion to be the top pick before his sophomore year and ended up 4th. Noah slid down the draft and still went top 10. Victor was a NBA D League w hard work coming into IU and turned into a #2 pick. Wade was an afterthought to every major program, but ended up going top 5. Wesley Matthews was never a NBA prospect, but now he just came 3 million short of a max player contract. Diener and Novak weren't on any radars and look at them. Yogi was never gonna be a 1st round pick regardless where he went due to his size. Yeah I know Ulis is 5'9, but he is a rare case who I think is overrated as a pro prospect. JBJ plays no defense and everyone has known that so I think that has hurt his prospects, but he will have a chance to play in league as will Yogi. What I'm saying is Crean has always met or exceeded expectations for the players he recruits. He don't have 5 star guys w loads of potential barely even seeing time in the d league like other coaches. He's already got 2 more guys in TB and OG that are exceeding expectations as well. If I'm a young kid looking at programs, I definitely look at IU as a school right there with the rest based on what our coach has done w his talent compared to other coaches. Maybe I'm being a homer, but I truly believe all of what I just said and this time next year we could be looking at IU having 6-8 NBA players. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

46 minutes ago, X-Hoosier said:

Indiana has produced 4 NBA since 2008. 3 since 2013.

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My bad, point stands.

[X-Hoosier 529]

My bad, point stands.

What exactly is your point? To even try and compare Indiana and Kentucky sending players to the NBA is silly. Considering Cal has had John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Eric Bledsoe, Daniel Orton, Brandon Knight, Anthony Davis, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Terrence Jones, Marquis Teague, Nerlens Noel, Archie Goodwin, Julius Randle, James Young, Karl Anthony-Towns, Willie Cauley-Stein, Trey Lyles and Devin Booker. Those are the 1st round picks. This year Murray, Skal and Ulis will go first round and all 3 will go top 20. If you're a top recruit and your goal is to get into the NBA... you go to Kentucky. Whether you're planning to go for 1 or 2 years. You don't go to Indiana. You really don't go to anyone in the Big Ten. Nowadays.. it is Kentucky or Duke. Sure Wilkes might come to Indiana. But I doubt Crean's pitch is getting him into the NBA after 1 year.

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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

9 minutes ago, X-Hoosier said:

What exactly is your point? To even try and compare Indiana and Kentucky sending players to the NBA is silly. Considering Cal has had John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Eric Bledsoe, Daniel Orton, Brandon Knight, Anthony Davis, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Terrence Jones, Marquis Teague, Nerlens Noel, Archie Goodwin, Julius Randle, James Young, Karl Anthony-Towns, Willie Cauley-Stein, Trey Lyles and Devin Booker. Those are the 1st round picks. This year Murray, Skal and Ulis will go first round and all 3 will go top 20. If you're a top recruit and your goal is to get into the NBA... you go to Kentucky. Whether you're planning to go for 1 or 2 years. You don't go to Indiana. You really don't go to anyone in the Big Ten. Nowadays.. it is Kentucky or Duke. Sure Wilkes might come to Indiana. But I doubt Crean's pitch is getting him into the NBA after 1 year.

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Those aren't all since 2013.

Point was, Crean is demonstrated his ability to get both high profile (Zeller and Vonleh) and surprise players (Victor) drafted in the lottery since being at Indiana. Calipari's system has had a number of players come in with major expectations and disappoint.

Why wouldn't you go to Indiana? Do you also know that Wilkes wants to be one-and-done? You're making a lot of assumptions without recognizing that there are other possibilities. 

[X-Hoosier 529]

7 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Those aren't all since 2013.

Point was, Crean is demonstrated his ability to get both high profile (Zeller and Vonleh) and surprise players (Victor) drafted in the lottery since being at Indiana. Calipari's system has had a number of players come in with major expectations and disappoint.

Why wouldn't you go to Indiana? Do you also know that Wilkes wants to be one-and-done? You're making a lot of assumptions without recognizing that there are other possibilities. 

There really is no argument you can use to say that Wilkes should go to Indiana over Kentucky if he wants to go to the NBA. Since 2013 Just cut off the list before Noel. 8 players since 2013. But you also have to think of the quality. Crean has sent 2 Top 15 players and Vic who was Top 150. But what about the players for Crean that didn't pan out? Like Hollowell and Perea? What about Troy Williams? Or Yogi? None of them are thought of as NBA players really yet were Top 50 recruits. 

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11 minutes ago, X-Hoosier said:

There really is no argument you can use to say that Wilkes should go to Indiana over Kentucky if he wants to go to the NBA. Since 2013 Just cut off the list before Noel. 8 players since 2013. But you also have to think of the quality. Crean has sent 2 Top 15 players and Vic who was Top 150. But what about the players for Crean that didn't pan out? Like Hollowell and Perea? What about Troy Williams? Or Yogi? None of them are thought of as NBA players really yet were Top 50 recruits. 

I mean, we can talk about Poythress, Hawkins, Skal (who looked like garbage), the Harrison twins who were top 5 players, etc. What's your point?

There is absolutely an argument, you just refuse to hear it. Crean has improved the stock of his players, and I argue that Cal really hasn't. His players all come in expected to be top drafts picks before they even play. If I'm Wilkes, I think I'd prefer to take a shot with Crean and see if I can get better and move higher up the draft. More likely than not, he's not a lock for the lottery after his freshman year, and could move up with the right development. 

[X-Hoosier 529]

There isn't an argument. If you want to go pro quick you go to Kentucky. They have the success rate. Or now Duke. But I don't see Wilkes going to Duke... Scruggs on the other hand...

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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,378]

Ben Simmons answers this debate. If you are truly the talent you think you are, it doesn't matter where you go to school. Crap school, crappier coach, still likely to be 1st or 2nd pick.

Vonleh was 8-15 range and got drafted 8th as a freshman. That's impressive.

Zeller was 10-20 range and drafted 4th as a sophomore.

Bryant was 15-25 range and appears to be a first rounder.

Crean track record with 5 stars is very good. We just need more of them and our NBA list will be as impressive as Cheatapari's.

Don't want 5 per recruiting class like Duke/UK but 2 per class would be ideal.

[Naturalhoosier 15,434]

Hearing and Listening are two different attributes. I suggest using both and not just one.

[mdn82 25,510]

There isn't an argument. If you want to go pro quick you go to Kentucky. They have the success rate. Or now Duke. But I don't see Wilkes going to Duke... Scruggs on the other hand...

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I don't mean this to be a Purdue Person. But you obviously prefer the NBA to college let alone IU. What brings you to post on an IU forum board? Very casual towards IU yet talk up Kentucky on an IU board. We all know their accomplishments it is just unusual to see that on an IU board. I just don't see why one would come to an IU board with loose affiliation at best, to talk down anyone pro IU on any subject. Yet at every turn tell us how great Cal is and the "NBA talent he gets" as if that is THE barometer for college basketball. Why an IU board? Why not a UK or NBA board? It's just weird.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,378]

Ben Simmons answers this debate. If you are truly the talent you think you are, it doesn't matter where you go to school. Crap school, crappier coach, still likely to be 1st or 2nd pick.

Vonleh was 8-15 range and got drafted 8th as a freshman. That's impressive.

Zeller was 10-20 range and drafted 4th as a sophomore.

Bryant was 15-25 range and appears to be a first rounder.

Crean track record with 5 stars is very good. We just need more of them and our NBA list will be as impressive as Cheatapari's.

Don't want 5 per recruiting class like Duke/UK but 2 per class would be ideal.

Yogi 15-25. IU legend, will make big money playing professional basketball. Deserves a chance in NBA. Size issues. Been discussed. I think the NBA underrated Yogi.

Blackmon 15-25. Late riser in rankings. Injuries may prevent him from getting where he wants. Was performing offensively like a 1st round pick. TBD.

Give Crean a crack at a top 10 talent. Success will follow. Most of our Stars are 10-25 not 1-10.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

I don't mean this to be a Purdue Person. But you obviously prefer the NBA to college let alone IU. What brings you to post on an IU forum board? Very casual towards IU yet talk up Kentucky on an IU board. We all know their accomplishments it is just unusual to see that on an IU board. I just don't see why one would come to an IU board with loose affiliation at best, to talk down anyone pro IU on any subject. Yet at every turn tell us how great Cal is and the "NBA talent he gets" as if that is THE barometer for college basketball. Why an IU board? Why not a UK or NBA board? It's just weird.

Thanks for asking. I have had the sane questions.

[KB0 827]

I believe this may be a year or two old now, but is still interesting/relevant. It's a list of the top programs in the last ten years based on number of top ten prospects that go one and done. *Disclaimer* - I did not make this list so if something is wrong I promise it is not my fault :) 

(17) Kentucky – 12 of 17 top 10 (70.5 percent); 8 of 9 top 5 (88.9 percent)
(8) UNC – 1 of 8 top 10 (12.5 percent); 1 of 4 top 5 (25 percent)
(7) Duke – 5 of 7 top 10 (71.4 percent); 4 of 4 top 5 (100 percent)
(5) Kansas – 5 of 5 top 10 (100 percent); 2 of 2 top 5 (100 percent)
(5) Arizona – 3 of 5 top 10 (60 percent); 2 of 2 top 5 (100 percent)
(4) UCLA – 3 of 4 top 10 (75 percent); 3 of 4 top 5 (75 percent)
(4) Texas – 3 of 4 top 10 (75 percent); 2 of 2 top 5 (100 percent)
(4) Memphis –2 of 4 top 10 (50 percent); 2 of 2 top 5 (100 percent)
(3) Ohio State – 2 of 3 top 10 (66.7 percent); 1 of 2 top 5 (50 percent)
(3) Florida – 1 of 3 top 10 (33.3 percent); 1 of 1 top 5 (100 percent)
(3) Baylor – 2 of 3 top 10 (66.7 percent); 1 of 2 top 5 (50 percent)
(3) Indiana – 2 of 3 top 10 (66.7 percent); 1 of 1 top 5 (100 percent)

[Stuhoo 80,845]

45 minutes ago, X-Hoosier said:

There isn't an argument. If you want to go pro quick you go to Kentucky. They have the success rate. Or now Duke. But I don't see Wilkes going to Duke... Scruggs on the other hand...

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Sure...just like 5* players Dakari Johnson, Aaron Harrison, Andrew Harrison, Marcus Lee, Marques Teague, Daniel Orton, Ryan Harrow, Alex Poythress all did. 

Thanks to Kentucky, they all could have been pros quickly...with the Fort Wayne Mad Ants.

 

Oh, and by the way; if your knee blows out and your NBA dreams don't come true at IU, you are pretty likely to have a college degree (ie, Mo Creek).