IU’s basketball culture is dead (and the case for why our next coach should be given 6+ seasons)

[Pagoda]

36 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Does their football program just live off food stamps?

They ponied up $38M over five years to get rid of Stoops.  Stein got a bit of a war chest to start.  They’re trying on football.  Tbd if it works…

MBB I still don’t totally understand.  $22M is such an outlier, it doesn’t really make sense adding up their players.  They seem to be inflating by several million somehow.  I mean that’s what our ‘25 football roster cost.

Regardless, I like we’re they’re at with Pope at the helm.  

[Asha’man]

But what does Casual G-hay Marie have to say about Kentuck?

[AH1971]

4 hours ago, Jeff Flabjohns said:

Crean built the program to a place where it could then judge his performance by tournament success. Kudos to him for that. He had achieved his ceiling here. 
They missed on the subsequent hires.

We just won a banner in football. Eventually, it’s about championships. But we’ve been set so far back after Woodson that all this “level-headed” fanbase wants to do is walk before running, aka just making tourneys again. 

There it is. Championship or bust.

DEMUSIONAL

[AH1971]

2 hours ago, Hoosier987 said:

I was about to say, the OG argument is pretty weak at best. We had already lost a half dozen games including to IPFW and were below .500 in conference when he got hurt. All by mid January. 

Also had beaten top 5 Kansas and eventual national champion UNC

[AH1971]

1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

If you think our fans are crazy read the replies here.

 

 

Kentucky fans soon about to find out what it means to run off a successful coach. Like us, they deserve everything they get.

[AH1971]

1 hour ago, Shooter said:

Crean's last 4 seasons: NCAA 5 seed - sweet 16. NCAA 10 seed - first round exit. Missed tourney. Missed tourney.

Woodson's 4 seasons: NCAA 4 seed - second round. NCAA 12 seed - first round exit. Missed tourney. Missed tourney.

Crean's last 4 years, combined 38-34 (52.8%) in the Big Ten. Woodson went 41-39 (51.3%).

So I guess it makes sense that the same poster who was so adamant that Woodson needed more time, also wanted to give Crean another decade.

Wrong. I argued that Woodson deserved a 4th year to right the ship after making the tournament years 1 and 2. Get your facts straight. He flopped with a $6mil roster and I was other same line with you clowns calling for a change.

[Jeff Flabjohns]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

There it is. Championship or bust.

DEMUSIONAL

You got so excited to keep trolling you forgot how to spell 

DEMUSIONAL.

[Jeff Flabjohns]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Kentucky fans soon about to find out what it means to run off a successful coach. Like us, they deserve everything they get.

15-57.
The guy they ran off continued to win.

Comparing Cal to Crean?

DEMUSIONAL

[Kentuckysucks]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Kentucky fans soon about to find out what it means to run off a successful coach. Like us, they deserve everything they get.

We didn't run off a successful coach.  They did.  

[AH1971]

9 minutes ago, Jeff Flabjohns said:

You got so excited to keep trolling you forgot how to spell 

DEMUSIONAL.

old age man, maybe spell check, my bad

Maybe you’ll be alive to see IU win a national title in basketball one day. All three I attended were equally exciting. 
 

Keep Demanding better though, your crusade is working.

[AH1971]

26 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

We didn't run off a successful coach.  They did.  

2 B10 titles and 3 Sweet 16’s in 5 years isn’t successful?

DELUSIONAL 

[Kentuckysucks]

12 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

2 B10 titles and 3 Sweet 16’s in 5 years isn’t successful?

DELUSIONAL 

Couldn't get past the S16 in a decade.  Couldn't even sniff the tournament his last season despite a stacked roster.  He had a few good years and plenty bad ones.  Not even remotely comparable to Cal who won a title and took UK to a handful of FFs and a couple Elite 8s.

[Hoosier987]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

Also had beaten top 5 Kansas and eventual national champion UNC

Whoaaa, let’s get a participation trophy for beating the eventual national champion lmao. That’s even more of an indictment that we couldn’t make the tournament and lost 16 games. Keep digging 

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, Asha’man said:

Do you want your head coach scouring the internet for interviews of other schools coaches? lol. You don’t like DeVries I get it. You’re trying to find anything to validate your opinion.

My point is other coaches have underestimated it. Nobody says the Big Ten isn’t physical. But DeVries came from the Big12 which is arguably the best conference in basketball. It’s not as physical as the Big. I can see where a coach who did ok with an injury to his star player would think he would be ok in the Big this year. 
 

To me I’m very optimistic if they get the roster construction correct. I saw proof of concept in the style of play. The style works. I also saw massive flaws last spring in the roster construction that made the team very limited, a bubble team. And we ended up on the wrong side bubble. This wasn’t like Archie losing to IPFW or Woodson who doesn’t know how to coach spacing or that the 3 point shot was invented. The freshman class is a good one coming in. There are reasons to be optimistic. The next month will tell us a lot. Let’s see how it plays out. 

Actually yes.  It's called preparation.  I want to know everything there is to know about my competitors.  What they like, dislike, what they recruit, philosophy.  What they like to eat, when they take a crap.  Wives, girlfriends, mistresses, etc.  : /   

I am neutral on DeVries.  I am not looking for any validation.  Just looking objectively and waiting for him to "show me."    Gave him a red flag for not knowing, and kudos for admiting it needs to change.  

[Shooter]

59 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Wrong. I argued that Woodson deserved a 4th year to right the ship after making the tournament years 1 and 2. Get your facts straight. He flopped with a $6mil roster and I was other same line with you clowns calling for a change.

And what did that 4th season you argued for accomplish? It was pointless to retain a failing 66 year old coach. Very little upside, just a wasted year.

[Asha’man]

7 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Actually yes.  It's called preparation.  I want to know everything there is to know about my competitors.  What they like, dislike, what they recruit, philosophy.  What they like to eat, when they take a crap.  Wives, girlfriends, mistresses, etc.  : /   

I am neutral on DeVries.  I am not looking for any validation.  Just looking objectively and waiting for him to "show me."    Gave him a red flag for not knowing, and kudos for admiting it needs to change.  

Fair. I disagree but fair. I’d rather him be recruiting and filling the staff before figuring out who each coach is banging. By then it’s too late to adjust the roster though. 

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, Shooter said:

And what did that 4th season you argued for accomplish? It was pointless to retain a failing 66 year old coach. Very little upside, just a wasted year.

Not to mention a legitimate shot at Dusty May.

[realTomCrean]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

2 B10 titles and 3 Sweet 16’s in 5 years isn’t successful?

DELUSIONAL 

<3

[realTomCrean]

Thank you to those of you staying loyal to CTC. Given another 10 years IU would have won the B1G 3 more times minimum. CTC ball was made for the NIL Transfer era.

Those of you citing the UGA record are forgetting one important piece of information: CTC was heartbroken. “It’s Indiana, it’s Indiana” 

[AH1971]

6 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It’s basically any fanbase with size and losing results. Kentucky fans are definitely the worst of the worst though.  And their results aren’t even that bad.  
 

The one that got me this year was the Purdue fans turning on Braden Smith and Purdue this year. 
 

It just goes to show you can’t be thinned skinned and you can’t worry about the vocal minority.  The staff needs to be equipped to educate the players how to handle it. 
 

Woodson and staff/players went about it every wrong way possible.  He was not the right type of leader to handle fan adversity.  Still has his defenders going against the fanbase on the daily. 

Kentucky is the new Indiana