Scott Dolson Thread

[Pagoda]

8 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I think the staff thing has been explained.  Frazier an ex Illinois player had no desire to come to IU and coach and Hansberry one of the players you would want just followed him to Virginia Tech since he brought him to West  Virginia.  Barnett a former IU player probably would have followed as an assistant however he got the head coaching job at Oral Roberts.  Ostrum had already failed as an assistant at IU so probably smart to bring him along.   Players was a mix bag.   Powell went to North Carolina and plays some, Hansberry is solid at Tech however most of the rest went down a level 

Agree.  I think most of why no one followed CDD is pretty explainable, as you just laid out.

I should have been more clear, but in that post I'm saying by selecting CDD as the coach IU would have known not many people were coming with him.  Other candidates could have brought more players and staff. 

I'm sure there is a reason.  Scott must have thought CDD building a new staff was better than the candidates who would bring a staff.  And perhaps selecting a coach who would bring players isn't worth it since players are only around a short while.  I can only guess.  It is just different from the Cig approach.

[str8baller]

44 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Frazier an ex Illinois player had no desire to come to IU

If one of your assistants doesn’t want to follow you because said assistant played at a fellow conference school 20 years ago, that is a bit of a red flag. 

[Uspshoosier]

11 minutes ago, str8baller said:

If one of your assistants doesn’t want to follow you because said assistant played at a fellow conference school 20 years ago, that is a bit of a red flag. 

Red flag for who?

that was devries first year at West Virginia and and hadn’t worked with Frazier before that.   Not following your logic.   Frazier hates IU and he said as much when DeVries took the job.    

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Red flag for who?

that was devries first year at West Virginia and and hadn’t worked with Frazier before that.   Not following your logic.   Frazier hates IU and he said as much when DeVries took the job.    

Unless fraizer worked with him at Drake when Illinois replaced him 

[IUHoosierJoe]

29 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Red flag for who?

that was devries first year at West Virginia and and hadn’t worked with Frazier before that.   Not following your logic.   Frazier hates IU and he said as much when DeVries took the job.    

Yeah, there are legitimate and specific reasons why 3 coaches and at least 1 player did not follow DeVries here. All the “concern” I see about that is pretty much nonsense. 

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

If one of your assistants doesn’t want to follow you because said assistant played at a fellow conference school 20 years ago, that is a bit of a red flag. 

 

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Red flag for who?

that was devries first year at West Virginia and and hadn’t worked with Frazier before that.   Not following your logic.   Frazier hates IU and he said as much when DeVries took the job.    

Red flag for Frasier.

He’s a pretty salty personality. I could easily see him saying “hell nah” about IU, even 20 years later.

[str8baller]

57 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Red flag for Frasier.

He’s a pretty salty personality. I could easily see him saying “hell nah” about IU, even 20 years later.

Sure. But that brings into question the guy who hired him. Same guy that hired our assistants who fans are hell bent on blaming for this year’s roster. 
 

At some point the buck stops with the head coach. But we’re in the honeymoon period and I know IU fans, and excuses will abound for why the guy with final authority isn’t to blame. 

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Sure. But that brings into question the guy who hired him. Same guy that hired our assistants who fans are hell bent on blaming for this year’s roster. 
 

At some point the buck stops with the head coach. But we’re in the honeymoon period and I know IU fans, and excuses will abound for why the guy with final authority isn’t to blame. 

The buck ALWAYS stops with the head coach.

[Uspshoosier]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Red flag for Frasier.

He’s a pretty salty personality. I could easily see him saying “hell nah” about IU, even 20 years later.

Some might not be old enough to remember the tension between IU and Illinois during the Eric Gordon recruitment.  Bad bad blood during those years.   0 chance Fraizer was going to sit on IUs bench.  

[Uspshoosier]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

But that brings into question the guy who hired him. 

Why?   DeVries hired him for the West Virginia job. I’m guessing when he hired him for his associate head coaching position that he had no idea a year later he was going to leave for IU.  I’m sure Frazier was pissed he left after 1 year and left for a school he didn’t care for.   Still not following why this would be a red flag for DeVries 

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Why?   DeVries hired him for the West Virginia job. I’m guessing when he hired him for his associate head coaching position that he had no idea a year later he was going to leave for IU.  I’m sure Frazier was pissed he left after 1 year and left for a school he didn’t care for.   Still not following why this would be a red flag for DeVries 

This.

Frazier might be excellent, but this particular ‘might be excellent’ assistant coach was never going to work out of Btown.

[Shooter]

8 hours ago, Muskie plays the four said:

Some of the immediate family didn't want him at IU. They like their anonymity being out and about. Super happy he is at Michigan.  

Someone in his family may feel that way. And we'll never know for sure. But if IU had an opening that offseason, IU graduate Dusty May would have been widely considered the favorite for the job. I don't know what we gain by pretending like he was never an option.

[rayl456]

13 minutes ago, Shooter said:

Someone in his family may feel that way. And we'll never know for sure. But if IU had an opening that offseason, IU graduate Dusty May would have been widely considered the favorite for the job. I don't know what we gain by pretending like he was never an option.

Are Dolson and May friends?  Any known history there?  I am asking, obviously, as a person completely outside Bloomington and the inner sanctum of IU athletics.

[Shooter]

3 minutes ago, rayl456 said:

Are Dolson and May friends?  Any known history there?  I am asking, obviously, as a person completely outside Bloomington and the inner sanctum of IU athletics.

They were both IU managers under Knight, though not at the same time. Don't know if they are close but I'm sure they know lots of the same people.

[rayl456]

3 minutes ago, Shooter said:

They were both IU managers under Knight, though not at the same time. Don't know if they are close but I'm sure they know lots of the same people.

Yep…think I knew that, but wondered beyond that connection.  Thanks, Shooter.

[newcastle12]

20 hours ago, RoadRage said:

May has never said anything to lead me to believe he would not have been interested in the Indiana job in 2024 had it been offered. What has you convinced he had no interest in the Indiana job before accepting the Michigan job?

His family didn't want him to take the job, and he was offered the job this year and declined.

[Muskie plays the four]

2 hours ago, rayl456 said:

Are Dolson and May friends?  Any known history there?  I am asking, obviously, as a person completely outside Bloomington and the inner sanctum of IU athletics.

No clue about Dolson. 

[HinnyHoosier]

3 hours ago, Shooter said:

I don't know what we gain by pretending like he was never an option.

It's merely the second stage of the grieving process: 

Denial.

[str8baller]

22 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Why?   DeVries hired him for the West Virginia job. I’m guessing when he hired him for his associate head coaching position that he had no idea a year later he was going to leave for IU.  I’m sure Frazier was pissed he left after 1 year and left for a school he didn’t care for.   Still not following why this would be a red flag for DeVries 

The idea that a grown man wouldn’t take a job—a likely big pay increase—because he got his feelings hurt in college is absurd. But I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong. Frazier might’ve a passed on the job because of that. That just makes Frazier kind of emotionally stunted and probably a moron, to boot.  
 

Now who would hire a guy that narrow-minded and emotionally stunted to be an associate head coach? Darren DeVries, that’s who. Seems like his instincts in hiring assistants isn’t all that great. Which is probably why Dolson went out and hired Carr. 

[Uspshoosier]

17 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Now who would hire a guy that narrow-minded and emotionally stunted to be an associate head coach? 

Mike Young.   He was his associate head coach in 2021 before Frazier joined the Illinois staff.   Then he went to West Virginia for a year and then Mike Young brought him back to be his associate head coach again after last year