Transfer Portal w IU Interest

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19 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

Myles Rice now following Payne via Instagram.  Only Cupps were following him prior to yesterday

Cupps, man. That kid is on the Rushmore of culture pieces.

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18 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Based on the targets and potential gets. It isn't a crazy thought when we have visits from this many guys for one spot. They would presumably all be looking for starter minutes. I seriously doubt the pitch to all of them is commit and compete for one spot. With Rice already committed, some combination of Conwell/Hickman/Carlisle are going to be jockeying for the other spots.

Respectfully, would you rather have Hickman starting over Conwell? I am not sure I would rather have him start over Kanaan. I say that more on the assumption we land Ballo. If that happens we aren't starting 3 guards. Unless the money is so good they can't turn it down, all these guys are looking to transfer and start somewhere. I am just conjecturing on if Woody hits a grand slam with the guards and how the minutes would play out. I want Hickman, but not at the expense of landing Conwell. Now if we only land one of them, the entire discussion is moot. I am just spitballing here.

I think 100% the bold is true. I have no idea who I prefer to start/whatever else, I would need to see how they all function together, first. 

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I'm guessing that IU feels like it has three very good guard choices and very much wants any two to pop. Slow playing is not for these three guys.

For me? If Hickman pops first, I'd prefer Carlyle as the other guard addition; better defender and better ball-handler than Conwell. Both are outstanding additions.

Also, I'm still not convinced that one year of Ballo is a better proposition than two years of Payne. Again, both are great gets. Watched a lot of Minnesota basketball this year and Payne's improvement and motor are so, so good.

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Just now, Demo said:

Cupps, man. That kid is on the Rushmore of culture pieces.

So is Miles Rice.

My impression is that Payne is also a really good culture piece. Very quick twitch big that plays his @$$ off at all times. And if you've heard him interviewed he clearly is a leader-type kid.

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I'm guessing that IU feels like it has three very good guard choices and very much wants any two to pop. Slow playing is not for these three guys.
For me? If Hickman pops first, I'd prefer Carlyle as the other guard addition; better defender and better ball-handler than Conwell. Both are outstanding additions.
Also, I'm still not convinced that one year of Ballo is a better proposition than two years of Payne. Again, both are great gets. Watched a lot of Minnesota basketball this year and Payne's improvement and motor are so, so good.

Haven't seen anything in Paynes visit, seems kind of odd. Assuming IU won't get both

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1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

So is Miles Rice.

My impression is that Payne is also a really good culture piece. Very quick twitch big that plays his @$$ off at all times. And if you've heard him interviewed he clearly is a leader-type kid.

I think there is room for both Payne and Ballo to get minutes.  MR is the only other true big we have. 

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1 minute ago, maharkn said:

Haven't seen anything in Paynes visit, seems kind of odd. Assuming IU won't get both

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been very very quiet regarding Paynes visit.  Others on HSN said they are slow playing Payne for Ballo - we'll see i suppose

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6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'm guessing that IU feels like it has three very good guard choices and very much wants any two to pop. Slow playing is not for these three guys.

For me? If Hickman pops first, I'd prefer Carlyle as the other guard addition; better defender and better ball-handler than Conwell. Both are outstanding additions.

Also, I'm still not convinced that one year of Ballo is a better proposition than two years of Payne. Again, both are great gets. Watched a lot of Minnesota basketball this year and Payne's improvement and motor are so, so good.

I'm a fan of Payne and actually prefer him over Ballo I think. Kid plays so damn hard all the time. He'd also be a good rim protector that will not need post feeds on offense. I've admittedly not watched a lot of Ballo however.

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1 hour ago, btownqb said:

I think the way things stand now/along with who we've contacted--- it seems like they expect MM to play a fair amount of 4. 

I think you can add 2 of the 3. Leal and Cupps shouldn't be looked at as "in the rotation", IMO, anyways. They are great 9th-11th guys ish, IMO. 

Cupps and Leal are great guys to have if you have injuries or illness

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12 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

No way? lol

I haven't looked this up but he has to be like 28 by now.

Edit: He will be 25 this summer

I did a quick check and some Cincy sites have him penciled in on the 24-25 scholarship numbers lol. With his injury history, I doubt he's a big factor, but I think he's part of the equation.

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For our 4 /5 position we currently only have 1 player (unless you consider MM).  

MR

Ballo ?

Payne ?

Humrichous ?

 

I think we need at least two of the three.  I would take any combination so I don't see any issues with getting Ballo and Payne.

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15 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

Other site saying Payne is trending to IU, I know he just visited but anyone else hearing that?

Has been quiet on that front given the Ballo rumors.

 

I have not heard one single thing about Payne. I also haven't asked anyone about him. So pretty much not adding anything to this :-)

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13 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

... Because Grand Canyon is largely an on-line school; over 100,000 attendees with only 550 full-time faculty and a really high acceptance rate (and only 61% freshman to sophomore retention). In other words, it's a university that is driven by a profit model.

That model doesn't necessarily equate to big-time donors that can fund NIL - it's the university that has the big profits. But still, one would think they will find a way.

I would say that is exactly why they would they would have so much NIL money.  It is a cash cow for some pretty wealthy investors and having a nice NIL fund and good basketball team is cheap advertising.  Don't think of alumni or donors so much with them but rather investors.

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2 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

For our 4 /5 position we currently only have 1 player (unless you consider MM).  

MR

Ballo ?

Payne ?

Humrichous ?

 

I think we need at least two of the three.  I would take any combination so I don't see any issues with getting Ballo and Payne.

Forgot to add Williams to this list.  

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12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So is Miles Rice.

My impression is that Payne is also a really good culture piece. Very quick twitch big that plays his @$$ off at all times. And if you've heard him interviewed he clearly is a leader-type kid.

Rice visited at the same time as Payne so him following isn't a big surprise.  Not seeing others follow Payne is probably telling.

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There is naturally going to be a bias toward the players that are geographically easier to watch. All of these are really good options, but Conwell at ISU and Payne via the B1G Network are far more accessible to be seen.

I'm curious what @Uspshoosier thinks about the Carlyle/Hickman/Conwell best fit and the Ballo/Payne option. He's the one above all others that has a handle on every corner of the sport.

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1 hour ago, Demo said:

You’re currently on 5 scholarship guards. I just can’t imagine that Carlyle/Conwell/Hickman isn’t a 1 of situation. Some systems would justify 7 guards. What Woody’s doing with Mgbako on the wing and Tucker getting wing minutes  doesn’t.

The numbers really don’t work at all unless you push Cupps all the way out of the rotation with Galloway as the backup PG and other perimeter and you commit to staggering Ballo and Reneau and going small about half the time. Then you could probably guarantee a 2nd guy 20min and a big payday. That’s really stretching it, though. It also means you have 0 min to offer to a backup big. 

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8 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

For our 4 /5 position we currently only have 1 player (unless you consider MM).  

MR

Ballo ?

Payne ?

Humrichous ?

 

I think we need at least two of the three.  I would take any combination so I don't see any issues with getting Ballo and Payne.

 

1. Reneau
2. Mgbako as a four at times without a doubt
3. Ballo or Payne
4. Malone from Grace as a depth true big
5. Maybe a developmental youngster or foreigner

 

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1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I believe that Trilly Donovan might have been the one that mentioned it, but the downside is that if the money donated doesn't pan out to winning on the court, some donors are now asking for input into the recruiting process.

Therein lies the problem.  The money buys the donors power to meddle in the program.  Rarely is that good.  

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