Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[Hoosierfan2017 25,033]

5 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Lol. Wilkins and Dame Sarr in the last 2 days. Indiana is far off next year.


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Yeah we’re gonna have to lunch pail our way out of the hole we dug ourselves. Didn’t have to be this way, but alas. Hope Devries Is up to the task. 

[str8baller 7,623]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

or the basketball community 

That’s giving your nervousis a lot of credit.  
 

We’re like 3 years into a fundamental shift college athletics. Let the new guy cook and enjoy the ride. We’ll learn a lot next year but it’ll hardly be the end all be all of his time here. And if he ultimately sucks…it’s just another day in Indiana basketball.

[TheWatShot 15,525]

18 minutes ago, str8baller said:

And if he ultimately sucks…it’s just another day in Indiana basketball.

I'm getting WAY ahead of myself here, but my biggest fear is that we'll become a program with a high floor/low ceiling, and while DeVries will win more than the last 2 coaches, his results won't be a whole lot different from Crean. We'll become a consistent tournament team that just doesn't have enough to make a serious run. Everyone will see it, but we'll be told that this is so much better than what we had before and we should be grateful to participate in March Madness again. 

 

Following this program in the 21st century is practically therapy-inducing. 

[HoosierHoopster 8,443]

6 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

I'm getting WAY ahead of myself here, but my biggest fear is that we'll become a program with a high floor/low ceiling, and while DeVries will win more than the last 2 coaches, his results won't be a whole lot different from Crean. We'll become a consistent tournament team that just doesn't have enough to make a serious run. Everyone will see it, but we'll be told that this is so much better than what we had before and we should be grateful to participate in March Madness again. 

 

Following this program in the 21st century is practically therapy-inducing. 

Isn’t it a bit early to have this kind of worry?

Crean’s results coming into IU did not reflect a strong basketball mind and record of developing teams and winning. He rode Wade. He looked decent. DeVries had a pretty long track record of developing programs into good teams and a strong basketball mind. Who knows if that will translate into teams that can contend for FF’s and championships, but fear? I don’t have any fear at this point, I’m pretty stoked to see what DeVries can do. 
Hell, on Crean, he did have us competing at the championship level he just didn’t have the bball mind to get to the very top or consistency in recruiting and he lost the HS coaches. No reason to fear that at this point, not a single game even played.

You guys walk around with little black clouds over your heads? Lol grab a little optimism it’s good for the soul

[Pagoda 4,828]

This is coming from an anon poster who generally believes in firing coaches quickly.  I'm not in the need to give a coach four to five years camp.

To level set: CDD has been here for two (2) months.  Not only has IUBB generally been bad for 25 years, CDD inherited Mike Woodson's four alarm tire fire of a program where almost all the staff and players were unusable and had to go.  The only useful thing CDD inherited was one (1) 4* high school recruit who committed despite Mike.  Even with our resources, no staff and no players is a tough starting point.

I think a turnaround can happen pretty quickly and it should be expected, but it will take some time when a coach inherits a four alarm tire fire.  There is just no way around it.  I don't mind folks being critical when we get some concrete signs of trouble, but it's been two (2) months.  Give me a break. We have a whole new staff and roster -- we're going to have to wait and see how this goes because we just don't know right now.

The goal in Year 1 is not to be top-10 or whatever -- the goal is put out Woody's four alarm tire fire and establish a culture and foundation we can build from for years to come.  Think big picture.  

In my view, a reasonable Year 1 of culture and foundation building includes playing modern/smart/tough basketball, making the tournament, signing very good high players again, and then doing well in the spring 2026 portal.  All of this will set us up for Year 2 when expectations can ramp up.  

What I cannot see a reasonable case for in Year 1, and especially not two (2) months in, is comparing ourselves to programs that have been healthy and successful for many years or decades.  Such as Duke.  It's a free country, but if you're expecting this in Year 1 you're going to be miserable.

I don't think a turnaround in the portal era should take long, but it's also not going to happen over night either.  I might suggest watching this program play some games and compete in high school recruiting battles.  If we play bad bball and miss the tourney and recruit poorly, okay hit the panic button.  I probably will.  But until then, getting worried seems pretty pointless.

And hey, CDD has built programs before.  His staff looks pretty good -- we've got offensive minds and a coach from a rich top-10 program liked what he saw at IU and joined us.  CDD teams defend reasonably well.  There is real talent on this team, notably shooting.  This could turn out pretty good... we'll have to wait and see.

[str8baller 7,623]

18 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

I'm getting WAY ahead of myself here, but my biggest fear is that we'll become a program with a high floor/low ceiling, and while DeVries will win more than the last 2 coaches, his results won't be a whole lot different from Crean. We'll become a consistent tournament team that just doesn't have enough to make a serious run. Everyone will see it, but we'll be told that this is so much better than what we had before and we should be grateful to participate in March Madness again. 

 

Following this program in the 21st century is practically therapy-inducing. 

Certainly could be. I think you’ll be surprised how quick expectations rise. They did with Crean, and a perpetual mediocre coach will be run out, imo.   
 

Also, I get what WayneFleek is saying. I respect him as a poster. My point being—which Pagoda made below—is that there’s simply too many unknown variables at this time to get wildly bent out of shape.  
 

I get the complaints about rim protection or whatever. But there’s more than one way to design a defense. If you told me prime Bo Ryan was coming back to coach this roster, I’d bet serious money we’d have a top25 defense even without the rim protection.
 

Just a thought exercise to say you don’t need a conventional roster to be good at certain things. Similarly, nobody thought Michigan or Lville would be what they were last year just looking at their roster . I have no idea what CDD has in store, but I’m willing to give him at least a year. But that’s just me; ultimately people can post and feel how they want.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 12,109]

19 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Yeah we’re gonna have to lunch pail our way out of the hole we dug ourselves. Didn’t have to be this way, but alas. Hope Devries Is up to the task. 

What didn't? 

[Silat Player 1,968]

2 hours ago, str8baller said:

Certainly could be. I think you’ll be surprised how quick expectations rise. They did with Crean, and a perpetual mediocre coach will be run out, imo.   
 

Also, I get what WayneFleek is saying. I respect him as a poster. My point being—which Pagoda made below—is that there’s simply too many unknown variables at this time to get wildly bent out of shape.  
 

I get the complaints about rim protection or whatever. But there’s more than one way to design a defense. If you told me prime Bo Ryan was coming back to coach this roster, I’d bet serious money we’d have a top25 defense even without the rim protection.
 

Just a thought exercise to say you don’t need a conventional roster to be good at certain things. Similarly, nobody thought Michigan or Lville would be what they were last year just looking at their roster . I have no idea what CDD has in store, but I’m willing to give him at least a year. But that’s just me; ultimately people can post and feel how they want.

I've got to disagree with you about expectations rising quickly with Crean. If that was true, there would''ve been a huge amount of pressure on him during his third year, because that team was horrible. It was only 12-20 overall and finished dead last in the B1G. In fact, it even had a worse B1G record than his 2nd IU team. The program was definitely far worse than it should've been by year 3, even with the dumpster fire that he inherited. 

CTC was shown a ton of patience by fans, IMO. 

[str8baller 7,623]

10 hours ago, Silat Player said:

I've got to disagree with you about expectations rising quickly with Crean. If that was true, there would''ve been a huge amount of pressure on him during his third year, because that team was horrible. It was only 12-20 overall and finished dead last in the B1G. In fact, it even had a worse B1G record than his 2nd IU team. The program was definitely far worse than it should've been by year 3, even with the dumpster fire that he inherited. 

CTC was shown a ton of patience by fans, IMO. 

Creans greatest sales job was the one convincing everyone that he had to tear everything apart and start at zero needing multiple years to rebuild anything. Those years were miserable.  Even at that, I remember some rumblings in year 3. 
 

In any event, once that spell was broken and we started to win fans were unforgiving of steps backwards—as we should be. And if we had taken a poll a bet a majority of fans wanted him gone well before his firing. 

[Dave from Dayton 4,062]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

Creans greatest sales job was the one convincing everyone that he had to tear everything apart and start at zero needing multiple years to rebuild anything. Those years were miserable.  Even at that, I remember some rumblings in year 3. 
 

In any event, once that spell was broken and we started to win fans were unforgiving of steps backwards—as we should be. And if we had taken a poll a bet a majority of fans wanted him gone well before his firing. 

 

Indiana basketball administration missteps before, during and after the Sampson phonegate and Dakich purge, included all sorts of disenfranchised fan feelings.  For those that researched Crean's time at Marquette, we were aware that he was more than quirky, liked to play fast, had more than a tendency to oversell, didn't really require the discipline, and lacked focus to put teams together to take advantage of matchups, and rode Wade's coattails.  He had passed his zenith at Marquette and IU, apparently, was desperate to hire.  Overselling was his major strength.  It also was his most serious flaw.  Fans could not stand it.  Highschool coaches in Indiana could not either.

We have gone over those grounds enough.

I am very much looking forward to the future of IU basketball and football.  Seems that we may have disciplined, smart, knowledgeable, hardworking coaches that know how to build teams and win.  Make it so.