Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,733]

[Pagoda 4,964]

NIL is more of a donation in nature than an investment.  Donors will want some results on the court or field, but in general people just give to their alma mater because of the connection and it’s probably part of their identity.  Cook and Simon just give to IU it’s what they do, and it’s not much money for them.  For example, Woody stunk and they gave him even more money.

Overall, NIL is a good thing.  These athletes are getting paid the money they deserve, which helps them and in some cases changes their lives and their families lives.

I wish there were better contracts and less player movement (would need collective bargaining), but the NCAA and schools messed that up.

College sports are as popular as ever, and NIL has been a net benefit to IU.  It’s not perfect but it all seems fine to me.  Pre-NIL we got outbid for players all the time!  Way more than we do now.

[Brass Cannon 25,529]

You can’t expect to pay “fair market value” when there are 100s of teams in the mix it only takes one actor to overpay to put you at a disadvantage. Look what happened to the As when everybody started playing their game. 

[Napleshoosier 10,931]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

On velvet!  :)

[akumanina 427]

Just now, hoosierpatriot22 said:

It just feels like, eventually, the cash cows are going to get tired of paying millions to kids that keep asking “more more more or I’ll go elsewhere.” There just has to be some sort of regulation and/or salary cap and/or formal contracts I think

I thought about a salary cap too, but then eventually it'll go back to the old days of paying players under the desk. There can be 15+ schools that are willing to pay (for example) 2M cap to a pretty talented portal player. Then, what's it going to be? Schools and their boosters will have to offer all sorts of extra benefits and perks under the desk to get this kid signed. Back in the day, people talked about so and so kid got paid $100K through a shoe company, and we were so shocked. Now, it sounds cute and trivial. 

[hoosierpatriot22 205]

9 minutes ago, Asha’man said:

The universities will have to recognize the players as employees at that point. It’s what they are actively trying to avoid. 

I guess what I think is, the donors are surely thinking their donations will be invested to help the programs succeed. And dropping bags to dozens of players for 1 year of potential success isn’t a great investment. I see the donors saying, “we’ll invest if we can keep this kid for 4 years. But we’re not spending millions for 1 year. He’s gotta commit to being here for the long haul.”

[AZ Hoosier 11,034]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

Can the state quality of life conversation be moved to PMs and this thread get back to transfer portal plz? Thx lol

Thanks, Jersey... good call...

Man, some of y'all will argue about anything, regardless how unrelated it is. No wonder these threads are thousands of pages long.

[Golfman25 6,827]

4 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said:

If that is true, he is already a failure and he should probably drop down to D2.  Like it or not, money is going to be THE biggest factor in recruiting in D1.  This is a job for these guys now, not wanting to emphasize money is as stupid as corporations that post they want a person with a degree and 10 years of experience and when you go to the interview they are at average or below market for a new hire.  "We are looking for people passionate about the job, asking about money is so uncouth."  Nah dude, I am here to make money while pursuing my passion.  If you want to hire big boy employees you have to pay big boy salaries.

This is professional sports.  Professionals go where the money is.  They may be willing to take a little cut to chase a championship but you can't be skimpy with the purse if you aren't at that level.  That isn't to say that all the intangibles after that don't play a role, but if we roll out the midmajor white boy "lunch bucket" team every year because we won't take on anybody with money as a motivation, we are going to remain a 20-12 bubble program.  (Thank the Lord we got Kenny Johnson on staff because there is a narrative building up here that we need to break like yesterday.)

This is very far from professional sports.  Even the pros have salary caps, rookie schedules, and multi year contracts. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,703]

Thinking back on this time last year and Dusty May or Bruce Pearl could've been the head coach... *sigh*

And Dusty still hadn't signed anyone out of the portal. I believe his first "get" was on the 18th.

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[steubenhoosier 1,911]

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

You should see the mansion that Jim Irsay has in Carmel

You should see the compound he has on Lake Maxinkuckee. Heliport. Indoor swimming pool. He bought the golf course in Culver even though he doesn’t  play much . Just because he could 

[DChoosier 9,854]

36 minutes ago, hoosierpatriot22 said:

I guess what I think is, the donors are surely thinking their donations will be invested to help the programs succeed. And dropping bags to dozens of players for 1 year of potential success isn’t a great investment. I see the donors saying, “we’ll invest if we can keep this kid for 4 years. But we’re not spending millions for 1 year. He’s gotta commit to being here for the long haul.”

4 years is never happening as teams/donors will continue to bid on kids that proved themselves over a 2 or 3 year period at other schools.

[HoosierHoopster 8,572]

23 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

And Dusty still hadn't signed anyone out of the portal. I believe his first "get" was on the 18th.

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There’s still all kinds of time to assemble the team out of the portal, no question— 

That said I’m squarely in the immediate gratification category— Just want to see guys like Wilkerson commit and see the team coming together. Man I’m so freaking impatient and know it, just get this thing going!

[Asha’man 1,158]

14 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

4 years is never happening as teams/donors will continue to bid on kids that proved themselves over a 2 or 3 year period at other schools.

I don’t see the difference between a 4 year deal and a 1 year deal. The amount per year will be the same and it’s about winning. The idea boosters want kids to play by different rules at IU than other schools is dumb. But I also think Tucker DeVries probably got paid and he is a 1 year guy. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,614]

1 hour ago, Pagoda said:

NIL is more of a donation in nature than an investment.  Donors will want some results on the court or field, but in general people just give to their alma mater because of the connection and it’s probably part of their identity.  Cook and Simon just give to IU it’s what they do, and it’s not much money for them.  For example, Woody stunk and they gave him even more money.

Overall, NIL is a good thing.  These athletes are getting paid the money they deserve, which helps them and in some cases changes their lives and their families lives.

I wish there were better contracts and less player movement (would need collective bargaining), but the NCAA and schools messed that up.

College sports are as popular as ever, and NIL has been a net benefit to IU.  It’s not perfect but it all seems fine to me.  Pre-NIL we got outbid for players all the time!  Way more than we do now.

That’s why the schools have not-for-profits set up to handle its NIL.  Big donors can donate to “charity” and some of it goes to needs and some of it goes to athletes.  The donors get tax benefits.  It’s much more than a donation.  And it’s why it’s semi-sustainable. 

[hoosierbannerd 3,542]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

*rezips pants*  damn it.

Oh you want a d*ck measuring contest my friend...

[DChoosier 9,854]

3 minutes ago, Asha’man said:

I don’t see the difference between a 4 year deal and a 1 year deal. The amount per year will be the same and it’s about winning. The idea boosters want kids to play by different rules at IU than other schools is dumb. But I also think Tucker DeVries probably got paid and he is a 1 year guy. 

 No difference between a one year deal or 4 year? Really?? It’s a HUGE difference in that a donor might end up signing a 4 year deal with a kid that ends up stinking but would still be stuck with a four year deal.

Donors aren’t going to lock-up/ commit 4 years to unproven freshmen and  are never going to abandon one year deals as there will always be mid-major guys (or disgruntled P4 players) that pop up out of nowhere.

[BA47591 1,071]

Fans look at the portal and have a rough idea what the coach is looking for. It's natural as fans to wonder what the heck is going on. 

[RaceToTheTop 31,384]

14 minutes ago, hoosierbannerd said:

Oh you want a d*ck measuring contest my friend...

I mean, if you are asking to see a real white whale.....

[Asha’man 1,158]

21 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

 No difference between a one year deal or 4 year? Really?? It’s a HUGE difference in that a donor might end up signing a 4 year deal with a kid that ends up stinking but would still be stuck with a four year deal.

Donors aren’t going to lock-up/ commit 4 years to unproven freshmen and  are never going to abandon one year deals as there will always be mid-major guys (or disgruntled P4 players) that pop up out of nowhere.

Maybe I misunderstood. I thought they were saying they wanted 4 year players not a 1 year guy, regardless of class. 

[HoosierInParadise 1,683]

Do I wish we were getting top portal talent? Yes. Do I feel like CDD will go after and get quality basketball players to play his system? Yes. Did Woodson and Archie's tenure at IU damage the reputation of the program? Yes. It could take a few years to get the top guys, but if CDD can put together a team that can get in the tournament next year, that would be a good year one to build off of. Get in the tourney and make strides to implement a better culture in the program.