Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Pagoda 518]

5 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

In the real world this would be a no brainer but this is iu. There is no way they fire him if he makes the tourney imo unless the booster buddies say we aren't giving another dime. It really comes down to the cooks and Simon's imo. If they say he did his job he is back. That is just reality.

 

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The Cooks and Simons aren't dumb.  So far this season, we have been irrelevant, which isn't what their top-5 NIL was for. 

And Scott Dolson matters more than both of them.  Again, he did something with football that seemed impossible.  He is influential.  He will consult with Cook/Simon, and likely get them on board.  Even if they don't totally agree, I doubt the people with their name on Assembly Hall (Simon) and the ones who run our only collective now (Cook) are going to abandon Indiana basketball to defend Mike Woodson.  I bet they like Scott a lot more the Woody.

The above assumes we limp into the tourney and lose the first week.  We'll see, there is always a chance this team clicks despite the odds.

[Hornsby 2,085]

Enough people who have some kind of finger on the pulse have said he's gone after the season, barring a miraculous tourney run.

I don't believe that at all. Some with connections also said we were landing brad stevens. If he makes the tourney he will be back if he wants to be imo. Maybe he gives his I did my job and leaves speech but I don't think iu has the guts to fire him.

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[Golfman25 5,514]

49 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Per ESPN, PSU was 73% to win pre-tip. Who gives a hoot. IU plays with effort and energy like today there’s 10-11 wins left on the schedule. The B10 ain’t that good this year.

IF.  A big IF.  Hope Ballo heads out to the bars this week. That seems to have lit a fire.  :)

[MikeRoberts 7,043]

11 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

Enough people who have some kind of finger on the pulse have said he's gone after the season, barring a miraculous tourney run.

They don’t though. 

[Hornsby 2,085]

The Cooks and Simons aren't dumb.  So far this season, we have been irrelevant, which isn't what their top-5 NIL was for. 
And Scott Dolson matters more than both of them.  Again, he did something with football that seemed impossible.  He is influential.  He will consult with Cook/Simon, and likely get them on board.  Even if they don't totally agree, I doubt the people with their name on Assembly Hall (Simon) and the ones who run our only collective now (Cook) are going to abandon Indiana basketball to defend Mike Woodson.  I bet they like Scott a lot more the Woody.
The above assumes we limp into the tourney and lose the first week.  We'll see, there is always a chance this team clicks despite the odds.

Well they are sort of dumb they gave 6 million dollars to a bad coach. They clearly believed in him.

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[Tasmanian Devil 1,604]

25 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I'm not all that confident we beat PSU at home. I think they'll shoot better than 3/21 from deep next time, because everybody shoots better in Assembly Hall, and by February 26th I expect team morale to be a lot worse than it is right now. 

Can't say I blame you with this view.

We might be 12-3, but in games we've played anybody halfway decent or better we've lost. We don't have a TJD (or even a Ke'lel Ware) to rally around when things get tough as they will in the coming weeks. I see us beating USC, but it'll be interesting to see how long the win column remains at 13.

[Pagoda 518]

2 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Well they are sort of dumb they gave 6 million dollars to a bad coach. They clearly believed in him.

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Probably not giving him $6M again after they just saw $6M didn't do much.

And the question really is are they going to be upset if Scott wants a coaching change?  As in are they going to reduce donations?  That would be their play if they were upset with Scott's decision.  I doubt they do that.

[Home Jersey 7,947]

We beat RU without their best player by 10 and PSU by 6 while they were shooting abysmally from 3 and the FT line … when Goode was struggling early in the season people liked to say “water finds its level” … that doesn’t really bode well for next time we play them/the rest of conference play. But, at least it’s not as painful to watch lately since the energy and effort is there. Can’t imagine making the same mistake we made last offseason again, but way wackier stuff has happened… just going to try and enjoy wins this year. As pretty much everyone here is… nobody here is in shambles. People just aren’t ignoring the elephant in the room, which the admin is entirely responsible for creating this year.

On a more positive note… Goode played really well today. Mgbako can be frustrating but also score in bunches. He may actually be the microwave scorer Carlyle was thought to be coming in. Feel bad for KC that it’s really not working out here. He seems in his head. It was fun after the win for all the IU fans to stand up and cheer as they left the court. The players were excited and pumping up the crowd… I’ll always enjoy seeing that no matter who is coaching. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,948]

Making the tourney isn't going to save Mike Woodson's job.  The $$ donors aren't blind to what he puts on the court and certainly the $$ and Buckner can see how lackadaisical Woody has been in recruiting.  Losing Haralson and Mullins as plaintiff's exhibits 1 & 2.  McNeeley's decommit as plaintiff's exhibit 3.  Every board I look at is basically a mirror image of ours.  Hard core dump his a$$ now crowd and others like me who aren't at all happy but will let it play out until March.  Even if he makes a Final Four he'll go off in a blaze of glory bragging that "I did my job".   He bought this team.  He can't buy a championship caliber team every year and lord knows he can't recruit one.

[AH1971 1,500]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

We beat RU without their best player by 10 and PSU by 6 while they were shooting abysmally from 3 and the FT line … when Goode was struggling early in the season people liked to say “water finds its level” … that doesn’t really bode well for next time we play them/the rest of conference play. But, at least it’s not as painful to watch lately since the energy and effort is there. Can’t imagine making the same mistake we made last offseason again, but way wackier stuff has happened… just going to try and enjoy wins this year. As pretty much everyone here is… nobody here is in shambles. People just aren’t ignoring the elephant in the room, which the admin is entirely responsible for creating this year.

On a more positive note… Goode played really well today. Mgbako can be frustrating but also score in bunches. He may actually be the microwave scorer Carlyle was thought to be coming in. Feel bad for KC that it’s really not working out here. He seems in his head. It was fun after the win for all the IU fans to stand up and cheer as they left the court. The players were excited and pumping up the crowd… I’ll always enjoy seeing that no matter who is coaching. 

*completely ignores IU lost its leading scorer 60 seconds into the game and withstood an epic single game performance from an immensely talented player…and still won by double digits.

Par.For.The.Damn.Course

[Home Jersey 7,947]

Just now, AH1971 said:

*completely ignores IU lost its leading scorer 60 seconds into the game and withstood an epic single game performance from an immensely talented player…and still won by double digits.

Par.For.The.Damn.Course

Doesn’t change the fact Dylan Harper was out. Can you read? Lol

[FortWayneHoosier 6,196]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Making the tourney isn't going to save Mike Woodson's job.  The $$ donors aren't blind to what he puts on the court and certainly the $$ and Buckner can see how lackadaisical Woody has been in recruiting.  Losing Haralson and Mullins as plaintiff's exhibits 1 & 2.  McNeeley's decommit as plaintiff's exhibit 3.  Every board I look at is basically a mirror image of ours.  Hard core dump his a$$ now crowd and others like me who aren't at all happy but will let it play out until March.  Even if he makes a Final Four he'll go off in a blaze of glory bragging that "I did my job".   He bought this team.  He can't buy a championship caliber team every year and lord knows he can't recruit one.

Not only the other boards but, when I was at the Winthrop game everyone was saying the same thing “he needs to go” 

[MikeRoberts 7,043]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Making the tourney isn't going to save Mike Woodson's job.  The $$ donors aren't blind to what he puts on the court and certainly the $$ and Buckner can see how lackadaisical Woody has been in recruiting.  Losing Haralson and Mullins as plaintiff's exhibits 1 & 2.  McNeeley's decommit as plaintiff's exhibit 3.  Every board I look at is basically a mirror image of ours.  Hard core dump his a$$ now crowd and others like me who aren't at all happy but will let it play out until March.  Even if he makes a Final Four he'll go off in a blaze of glory bragging that "I did my job".   He bought this team.  He can't buy a championship caliber team every year and lord knows he can't recruit one.

Outside of the specific players you mentioned in this cycle, all of this was evident before they retained him for another year, gave him a raise and more resources.

fans wanted him gone last year and his lack of recruiting high school kids was evident, his archaic style of play was on display.

the only difference MIGHT be is that he improves his record YOY and makes the tournament. it is incredibly uncommon to fire a coach that makes the tournament and IU has never proven themselves to be aggressive in these manners like a UK.

[Home Jersey 7,947]

3 minutes ago, FortWayneHoosier said:

Not only the other boards but, when I was at the Winthrop game everyone was saying the same thing “he needs to go” 

Quite a few people around me criticized his lineups/lack of energy on the sidelines, a couple “true fan” jokes… some “I wonder who will be coaching next year?” comments. 

[MikeRoberts 7,043]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

Quite a few people around me criticized his lineups/lack of energy on the sidelines, a couple “true fan” jokes… some “I wonder who will be coaching next year?” comments. 

It sounds like the game I went to this time last year…. Yet we’re still here

[TTT 962]

Not so fast with fire the coach reality.  Indiana may have enough physicality to peak with march madness sweet 16.  And since so many teams are selected to be in the tournament nowadays unlike when it used to be half as many or less teams selected for tournament that could be a possibility.  In recent years no one else has done any better.

[OKHOOSIER 2,482]

36 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Committee doesn’t separate non con wins and conference wins.   8 Q1 wins is 8Q1 wins.  If and this is a big if IU had 8 Q1 wins with O  Q3 losses they are probably wearing white in the first round 

Nobody gets to 8+ Q1 wins without non-conference by seasons end with 9 conference losses. That was my point. Last year a grand total of 11 teams had 8 or more q1 wins by March Madness. Only 1 (Baylor) had 10 losses who also finished lowest of the 11 in the NET at 15 by virtue of their Big12 season. Playing January hypotheticals is pointless. I still think we get to 10/11 wins but it’s highly unlikely 80% of them are Q1 by selection time. 

[Uspshoosier 45,973]

8 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Playing January hypotheticals is pointless

Agree but yet people still post them 

[IndianaSconnie90 241]

30 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

*completely ignores IU lost its leading scorer 60 seconds into the game and withstood an epic single game performance from an immensely talented player…and still won by double digits.

Par.For.The.Damn.Course

The big obvious difference being that our roster without MR is still way more talented than Rutgers, but continue

[Uspshoosier 45,973]

12 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Nobody gets to 8+ Q1 wins without non-conference by seasons end with 9 conference losses

Normally I would agree however with how good the B1G did (minus IU) in the non con and especially how good the sec did they pretty much assured their conference extra teams come March.    There are 3 phases to build a resume. Non con, conference and conference tourney.  Ive seen teams sucks in non con and kill it in conference I’ve also seen teams kill in non con and suck it up in conference.   You make life easier by getting those non con wins however