Soon to RETIRE Coach Woodson Thread

[Chris007 49,008]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

Somebody’s your friend if they brought that back for you. Or very nice if you visited Wisconsin.

[Uspshoosier 47,536]

Covid year really benefitted Purdue.  Everyone forgets they had a down year that year and would have missed the tourney.  Ius luck the year they would have made it and Purdue wouldn’t ends up getting cancelled.  lol.   Now it’s like nothing happens and Painters consecutive tourney streak gets extended 

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5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Somebody’s your friend if they brought that back for you. Or very nice if you visited Wisconsin.

My brother goes up to Wisconsin a few times a year for work. He always brings me back some spotted cow.

[Pagoda 1,576]

10 minutes ago, Shooter said:

We might have fired him after the two straight missed tourneys. Maybe not though - he was still really young, he was an alum, and he had multiple very successful seasons before that downturn.

We absolutely would not have fired him at any point in years 9-12, when he went 12-6 / 12-6 / 14-4 / 15-3 in the Big Ten, even though he was underperforming in the tourney.

Yea.  And really this is such a tough hypothetical, Matt would be able to recruit better players at IU so perhaps his peaks and valleys would both be higher — good chance he could have had a great run here.

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16 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

I have 2 cases of spotted cow and a pack of Fat Squirrel. So good!

[Banksyrules 5,147]

We totally overpaid for Coogan so he could announce for us today to lesson the blow we’re about to receive from Purdue…

[Golfman25 5,998]

2 hours ago, Silat Player said:

To be fair, the fans gave both Woodson and Crean more time than they probably should have. Crean deserved a lot more criticism than he received, especially in year 3. That was a much worse year than it should've been. He should have been facing some heat then, but he did have some better players coming in, so that mitigated things a bit, but the team showed some regression that year. 

And Woodson's coaching issues were very evident early in his coaching tenure.

IU fans have gotten a bad reputation among B1G fans for not being patient...

I think that is an important observation.  I was disappointed with Crean's 3rd year -- I wanted incremental improvement and it was flat.  But you could see he was building something.  And then he went on that little run for several years.  Fans didn't act up until that run faded and he had difficulty getting any consistency.  You could see things falling apart and it was time to move on.  

[Artie86 2,429]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

What the heck did I just watch? I love it. 

I can’t stop watching the guy in the background…

[str8baller 5,974]

Just now, Golfman25 said:

I think that is an important observation.  I was disappointed with Crean's 3rd year -- I wanted incremental improvement and it was flat.  But you could see he was building something.  And then he went on that little run for several years.  Fans didn't act up until that run faded and he had difficulty getting any consistency.  

Zeller commitment got him through year 3. Actual Zeller got him through 4 & 5. Pretty rough after that.

[Golfman25 5,998]

2 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Of course you can win big overnight, but that shouldn’t be the expectation or even the #1 priority year 1. Getting a guy in here who can establish a culture and identify 9-10 guys who all fit that culture should be the #1 priority. And then build from there. If it results in 15 wins, so be it. But we can’t or won’t accept that it make take 2 maybe 3 seasons until the old culture is completely overhauled. 
 

I know what we’ve done the last 25 or so years and it’s never worked. 

Uh, you can change the culture in one year.  And, with the right processes in place, winning will follow.  

Source: Curt Cignetti  

[Artie86 2,429]

46 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

On Monday morning, this thread was on page 1771. We will almost certainly pass page 1900 tonight. 

You guys are great and all (for the most part) but I'm starting to rethink my lifestyle choices... lol

100 of those pages are probably AH’s posts! lol 

[Pagoda 1,576]

7 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Zeller commitment got him through year 3. Actual Zeller got him through 4 & 5. Pretty rough after that.

Yea.  The Movement turned out to be one player.  That and Trey Lyles decommited.  It never really came together like it appeared it might.

[Chris007 49,008]

5 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

I can’t stop watching the guy in the background…

I think that guy is a girl and that’s who they’re fighting over. Sadly I think I remember this episode. Haha

[Artie86 2,429]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

I think that guy is a girl and that’s who they’re fighting over. Sadly I think I remember this episode. Haha

I don’t make fun of people with disabilities,….. I, I just can’t look away! lol

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Drink poured. Now we await the king.

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[Golfman25 5,998]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

We’ve never given a coach the chance to build, fail, learn, and then grow. We mock Purdue for many things, but look at Matt Painter.

He struggled his first couple seasons, put together 3 very solid seasons, then went through a 4 year stretch with no tournament wins and a dead last place finish in the B10 to building one of the most consistent programs in the country. But we have no interest in doing that.

The fundamental problem with that analysis, we have not had a coach who has been willing to grow.  And that is a major downfall of every coach out there.  Their egos get the best of them.  They don't adapt, grow, change.  

For example, it was clear that Crean Team's weaknesses were defense.  Did he ever learn and change?  Nope and he's gone.  It's that simple.   

[AH1971 1,907]

8 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Uh, you can change the culture in one year.  And, with the right processes in place, winning will follow.  

Source: Curt Cignetti  

There’s literally ZERO expectations for Indiana football. Zero. 
 

Not comparable. 

[Golfman25 5,998]

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

I am one of the old timers who have seen 3 national championships and saw what made IU elite. It wasn't about out talenting teams but we were built on a foundation of toughness, hard work and playing the game the right way. We have went away from that foundation and culture that made IU who we were and it hasn't worked. It is time to get back to that foundation and culture of players who play hard and play with toughness. I am.tired of the portal and NIL and building our roster that way instead of building a roster through evaluation and developing. I guess maybe I am spoiled as an IU fan but any mention of coaches like Beard or Wade just infuriates me because they don't meet that foundation or culture that made IU great.

For you young guys if you want to see what IU culture was all about just watch Purdue tonight because that was how IU used to be built. I would assume for most of us older fans that is what upsets us as much as anything is seeing your biggest rival be what you use to be.

Actually, 87 is the model for today.  A great foundation with Alford, et. al.  Then add two difference makers -- Smart and Garret.   

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Just now, Golfman25 said:

The fundamental problem with that analysis, we have not had a coach who has been willing to grow.  And that is a major downfall of every coach out there.  Their egos get the best of them.  They don't adapt, grow, change.  

For example, it was clear that Crean Team's weaknesses were defense.  Did he ever learn and change?  Nope and he's gone.  It's that simple.   

Exactly. Woodson, like Miller before him, shows his weakness is basketball. One is gone and one will be soon.

[Golfman25 5,998]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

There’s literally ZERO expectations for Indiana football. Zero. 
 

Not comparable. 

Expectations have nothing to do with what I said.  Cig's model is 1000% comparable.  Put the right processes in place, create the right culture, and winning takes care of itself.  That's what most people miss -- Winning is a byproduct of the process.