Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[MikeRoberts 7,191]

4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Optics of the firing would have been good if it had been after the Illinois loss.

Not having a plan in place already makes me less confident in the leadership. One should have been crafted and put on the back burner before they returned from the Bahamas 

[Capt. Crimson 3,491]

We lost to them by 15 to open the season. The game and date on that list we won by that score. It was the year Knight had the bullwhip at practice and near the end of the blowout Cheaney was whipping RMK with a towel 
 
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[Chris007 45,690]

8 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Not having a plan in place already makes me less confident in the leadership. One should have been crafted and put on the back burner before they returned from the Bahamas 

I agree with this. I think I would have started working on one last spring when Quinn made me keep him one more year. Could have had it figured out during the summer.

[johnsoniu 6,586]

9 minutes ago, Capt. Crimson said:

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As you stated before, the picture it paints is pretty clear

[ziggyiu 605]

38 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

So, word I’ve gotten today from someone very close to the situation is “eerily quiet” today. I think the plans are finalized and ready. But Dolson and Co. are being very intentional about optics and want it to go down when the timing is right so that it doesn’t crate red flags in the media and coaching world. I’d say 30% chance a bad loss at NW does it, but a 60% chance blowout losses in Feb. to Purdue, Wiscy, Mich, Mich St. will be the need for the mid-season plan. 

It sounds like they are fine with letting this get uglier. 

[Uspshoosier 46,366]

37 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Whoever the next coach is i hope they run up to woodson crean style at some point yelling how he tried to wreck the program!

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[RaceToTheTop 26,304]

15 minutes ago, Capt. Crimson said:

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That list isn't accurate.  In Crean's first year, Notre Dame beat Indiana by 38, St. Joe's beat Indiana by 34, Wake Forest beat Indiana by 25, Illinois beat Indiana by 31, Ohio State beat Indiana by 24, Michigan State beat Indiana by 28, and Wisconsin beat Indiana by 24.  It also doesn't include Woodson's 29 point loss to St. Mary's in the NCAA tournament.

Just adding in those losses alone, the top 10 would be:

1. Minnesota by 50 in 1994 (Knight)
2. Illinois by 48 in 1956 (McCracken
3. Michigan by 48 in 1998 (Knight)
4. Notre Dame by 38 in 2008 (Crean)
5. St. Joe's by 34 in 2008 (Crean)
6. Illinois by 31 in 2009 (Crean)
7. Purdue by 31 in 1990 (Knight)
8. Michigan State by 29 in 2000 (Knight)
9. St. Mary's by 29 in 2022 (Woodson)
10. Three 28 point losses, one by Miller, one by Crean, and one by Woodson.

 

[IUFAN1976 3,503]

3 hours ago, Scotty R said:

I think he should be talked into coming out and announce he is retiring at the end of the year. Let him coach out the year like Davis did when he announced he wasn't coming back the next season. Like I said the fans know the real story but nationally and even potential candidates would likely look at firing a coach with this record as a bad look.

He is too stubborn to do that.  This is the same delusional coach that said he did his job last year and he thinks they are playing good basketball now, even after two back to back 25 point loses.  He has a huge ego and he isn’t going to do that because in his delusional mind, he thinks he can still turn it around 

[OKHOOSIER 2,917]

4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

That list isn't accurate.  In Crean's first year, Notre Dame beat Indiana by 38, St. Joe's beat Indiana by 34, Wake Forest beat Indiana by 25, Illinois beat Indiana by 31, Ohio State beat Indiana by 24, Michigan State beat Indiana by 28, and Wisconsin beat Indiana by 24.  It also doesn't include Woodson's 29 point loss to St. Mary's in the NCAA tournament.

Just adding in those losses alone, the top 10 would be:

1. Minnesota by 50 in 1994 (Knight)
2. Illinois by 48 in 1956 (McCracken
3. Michigan by 48 in 1998 (Knight)
4. Notre Dame by 38 in 2008 (Crean)
5. St. Joe's by 34 in 2008 (Crean)
6. Illinois by 31 in 2009 (Crean)
7. Purdue by 31 in 1990 (Knight)
8. Michigan State by 29 in 2000 (Knight)
9. St. Mary's by 29 in 2022 (Woodson)
10. Three 28 point losses, one by Miller, one by Crean, and one by Woodson.

 

I think it’s generally fair to toss out Crean’s first season of walk ons. I’m guessing that was the methodology when he made the list. Comparing those to any of the other losses isn’t really fair to Crean or the players he had IMO

[Ryno6284 2,803]

15 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I think it’s generally fair to toss out Crean’s first season of walk ons. I’m guessing that was the methodology when he made the list. Comparing those to any of the other losses isn’t really fair to Crean or the players he had IMO

They are still in the record books though.  Maybe should have an asterisk beside them losses?

[Golfman25 5,753]

55 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Not having a plan in place already makes me less confident in the leadership. One should have been crafted and put on the back burner before they returned from the Bahamas 

Nah.  There is always a plan, especially if a coach is on the hot seat.  Maybe this is the time Dolson officially shared it with others.  But I’ll bet it’s been talked about just in case.   

[Golfman25 5,753]

Don’t underestimate the “politics” here.  Frequently the powers that be will “leak” something to pressure the other side.  Would be very easy for Dolson to talk “loudly” about getting rid of Woodson and letting people run with it while, maintaining deniability.  

[Hornsby 2,240]

Anyone who thinks Woodson still doesn't have support go read the iu rivals board. Somebody criticized the game they went off on him. He still has his Kool aid followers and they are digging in now

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[coonhounds 9,302]

Anyone who thinks Woodson still doesn't have support go read the iu rivals board. Somebody criticized the game they went off on him. He still has his Kool aid followers and they are digging in now

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Lol no thanks. That is terrible

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[hoosierbannerd 1,709]

So 4 blowout losses in February triggers an interim for a matter of weeks?

Meh, sounds like they wanna wait till the end of the season.

Gonna just get uglier then.

sigh...

[IUrocker 2,267]

I just want this guy gone so bad. His demeanor/attitude just drives me nuts. Only thing I think he’s improved on past couple months or so is that he hasn’t referred to himself in the third person nearly as much, so good for him on that one. I’m sure it’s a downright fact that he’s done after this season, but I wish like heck it’d be sooner than that. Beating his chest and players saying I told you so because they barely beat not very good teams is ridiculous. After 4 years of the same crap and how he’s treated fans/media, does he really deserve to limp through the rest of the season just so he can tell everyone he did his job? 

I don’t like it when we lose, but to be honest, this morning I was kinda mad that we won last night. He’s gonna get to insist he’s doing his job and that the results were the best that could have happened. NO, THEY WERE NOT. I’m sorry, but here’s to hoping I’d rather see us lose to Northwestern by 20 than to beat them by 3 and have Woody throw his hands in the air like we just knocked off a top 5 team. 
Trying to convince myself to just relax and let him ride out the season if he’ll just be gone anyways…I’m just over it, ha. 

[OKHOOSIER 2,917]

3 minutes ago, IUrocker said:

I just want this guy gone so bad. His demeanor/attitude just drives me nuts. Only thing I think he’s improved on past couple months or so is that he hasn’t referred to himself in the third person nearly as much, so good for him on that one. I’m sure it’s a downright fact that he’s done after this season, but I wish like heck it’d be sooner than that. Beating his chest and players saying I told you so because they barely beat not very good teams is ridiculous. After 4 years of the same crap and how he’s treated fans/media, does he really deserve to limp through the rest of the season just so he can tell everyone he did his job? 

I don’t like it when we lose, but to be honest, this morning I was kinda made that we won last night. He’s gonna get to insist he’s doing his job and that the results were the best that could have happened. NO, THEY WERE NOT. I’m sorry, but here’s to hoping I’d rather see us lose to Northwestern by 20 than to beat them by 3 and have Woody throw his hands in the air like we just knocked off a top 5 team. 
Trying to convince myself to just relax and let him ride out the season if he’ll just be gone anyways…I’m just over it, ha. 

I’ll probably get roasted for this take, but here goes. There is a small part of me that actually feels bad for Woody sometimes. I don’t like seeing him look lost and generally miserable. Him acting like we just made the final four after beating  that Ohio State team in that fashion was just sad to me. It was admittedly hilarious, but sad. The state of our program is just sad. It’s sad we got here. It’s sad two Hoosier legends have completely tarnished their legacies in the eyes of a not insignificant number of fans and alumni. I say that to say, I agree with you, I just want us to definitively turn the page. Fired, retiring at end of season it matters not to me. I don’t wanna watch him stand there when students start chanting for Dusty if they’ve done nothing by that game. Sorry for the rant, I’m just over it too. 

[Bowhunter 2,713]

1 hour ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

So, word I’ve gotten today from someone very close to the situation is “eerily quiet” today. I think the plans are finalized and ready. But Dolson and Co. are being very intentional about optics and want it to go down when the timing is right so that it doesn’t crate red flags in the media and coaching world. I’d say 30% chance a bad loss at NW does it, but a 60% chance blowout losses in Feb. to Purdue, Wiscy, Mich, Mich St. will be the need for the mid-season plan. 

That’s just common sense. No way is administration firing him mid season with a winning record. That just makes them look worse for not firing him after last season. It will be at the end of the season , unless it gets too ugly!

[MikeRoberts 7,191]

24 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Nah.  There is always a plan, especially if a coach is on the hot seat.  Maybe this is the time Dolson officially shared it with others.  But I’ll bet it’s been talked about just in case.   

Perhaps. As another poster mentioned, if a mid season move were to be made you do it right after the second back to back 25 point blowouts where your own fans chanted to fire you and filed out early. “If” a plan was already in place they could have moved swiftly right after that game and it would be done with.

 

now instead we have an even bigger mess as you don’t do it after a conference road win and we’re in jeopardy of bringing him back into the hall and getting bood again on national television.

[RaceToTheTop 26,304]

52 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I think it’s generally fair to toss out Crean’s first season of walk ons. I’m guessing that was the methodology when he made the list. Comparing those to any of the other losses isn’t really fair to Crean or the players he had IMO

I know there is context, just saying that the list isn't accurate.  I only looked at one season that wasn't mentioned and a game under Woodson that wasn't.  I'm quite sure there are others that aren't on the list.

Edit:  In 2009-10, Crean's second year, IU had 32 and 28 point losses.  So that would move all of Woodson's worst margins out except the 29 point loss to St. Mary's and I'm sure the chart is missing some other games since I've easily found quite a few.  It doesn't make Woodson any better than he is, just saying that the 25 point back to back losses are horrible regardless of them not being in the top ten.