Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Scotty R 2,207]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

The thing is moving forward it is about wins.  IU only has one more Q3 game then the rest of way meaning every game they win outside of USC will be a quality win.   Maybe some fall down however the B1G did so good in the non conference that their NET numbers for those top teams are so high it will be hard for them to fall below 30 meaning every home game IU plays will be a Q1.   Give IU the USC game and that’s 3 wins.   If and that’s a big if IU would get to 9-11 that would be 6 quality wins and 9-11 in the 2nd best conference this year.    Just remember the bottom of the bubble is at bottom for a reason.  Not many teams that low would have that many quality wins and O bad losses.   Major advantage for being the SEC or B1G the success early will get those conferences more teams in March.   Don’t have to like it but that’s what will happen.   If not IU then another B1G team that goes 9-11 or heck even 8-12 for some will make the tourney.   

I will take the word of a guy who does bracketology nationally who said we need to win at least 12 to be considered. Tonsoni actually won 1st place one year in the bracket matrix or whatever they call it.

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3 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I will take the word of a guy who does bracketology nationally who said we need to win at least 12 to be considered. Tonsoni actually won 1st place one year in the bracket matrix or whatever they call it.

 

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[IUFAN1976 3,287]

12 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Nope it is what it is. My point was there is a very good chance he is back if he slides into the tourney. That's why the move needed to be made last year.

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I get that!  I think many of us fear that!  I trust Stuhoo and others know what they are talking about 

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Once again, someone show me 10, let alone 12 Bigten wins.  With no quality non conference wins, they basically have to run the table.   Any home loss means you have to pick up an extra one on the road.  Given the Woodson era, It’s a tall order.

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12 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Once again, someone show me 10, let alone 12 Bigten wins.  With no quality non conference wins, they basically have to run the table.   Any home loss means you have to pick up an extra one on the road.  Given the Woodson era, It’s a tall order.

They wouldn’t need to run the table.  Committee don’t care where the Q1 wins from.  While it would have been nice to win a quality non conference win(providence is a Q2 as of now)  it isn’t necessary when you play in a conference with as many of Q1 opportunities as the B1G gives teams this year.   Hypothetically if IU went 10-10 with Q3 wins over Minny, Rutgers and USC but the other 7 wins in the 2nd toughest conference were Q1 wins there would be 0 chance the committee would leave them out of the tourney.   They would have 0 bad losses and 7 Q1 wins and finished .500 in the second best conference with a top 100 overall SOS and a no con sos in the 150s.  Now we all can see the team on the floor and like you said finding 10 more wins doesn’t seem likely however that doesn’t mean there isn’t a path.   Whoever thinks they would need 12 or 13 wins in the B1G to even be considered are wrong in my opinion.  If they won 12 or 13 games they would be comfortably in.  

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1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

  I trust Stuhoo 

What? What?!! You trust a man who doesn’t like percolated coffee??!! 

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21 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

They wouldn’t need to run the table.  Committee don’t care where the Q1 wins from.  While it would have been nice to win a quality non conference win(providence is a Q2 as of now)  it isn’t necessary when you play in a conference with as many of Q1 opportunities as the B1G gives teams this year.   Hypothetically if IU went 10-10 with Q3 wins over Minny, Rutgers and USC but the other 7 wins in the 2nd toughest conference were Q1 wins there would be 0 chance the committee would leave them out of the tourney.   They would have 0 bad losses and 7 Q1 wins and finished .500 in the second best conference with a top 100 overall SOS and a no con sos in the 150s.  Now we all can see the team on the floor and like you said finding 10 more wins doesn’t seem likely however that doesn’t mean there isn’t a path.   Whoever thinks they would need 12 or 13 wins in the B1G to even be considered are wrong in my opinion.  If they won 12 or 13 games they would be comfortably in.  

I’m not going to argue what it will take as you are pretty dialed in there.

What I will say is that it will be VERY difficult for IU to move on from Woodson if he makes the tourney. I was told that I was wrong/what I was told was wrong by others but I will only believe it when I see it. Firing a coach that made the tourney is rare. 
 

I think we make it in with 20-13 and we retain him

[TheWatShot 14,084]

It keeps getting drowned out, but I'll keep posting it anyway: Woodson has 2 years left on his contract. If we planned on him being here more than 4 years, we would have already extended him. 

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4 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I’m not going to argue what it will take as you are pretty dialed in there.

What I will say is that it will be VERY difficult for IU to move on from Woodson if he makes the tourney. I was told that I was wrong/what I was told was wrong by others but I will only believe it when I see it. Firing a coach that made the tourney is rare. 
 

I think we make it in with 20-13 and we retain him

I don't think they want to remove him yet, so I agree, making the tournament will give them all the cover they need to bring him back for another year! But if he fails to make the tournament the pressure to fire him will be too great! I'm still rooting for us to make the tournament but I think we fall short!

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6 minutes ago, RoadRage said:

I don't think they want to remove him yet, so I agree, making the tournament will give them all the cover they need to bring him back for another year! But if he fails to make the tournament the pressure to fire him will be too great! I'm still rooting for us to make the tournament but I think we fall short!

No doubt, if we don’t make it he will retire/get fired and he should. If he makes it… he will likely be retained. 

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9 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

It keeps getting drowned out, but I'll keep posting it anyway: Woodson has 2 years left on his contract. If we planned on him being here more than 4 years, we would have already extended him. 

So they signed him a 6 year contract with no intent on him being here more than 4?

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1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

No doubt, if we don’t make it he will retire/get fired and he should. If he makes it… he will likely be retained. 

He should not be retained just for making the tournament.

If they have a deep run, then it’s up for conversation 

[TheWatShot 14,084]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

So they signed him a 6 year contract with no intent on him being here more than 4?

Of course. Coaches rarely reach the end of their contracts. Woodson himself said he wanted to win right away because he knew he didn't have a lot of time to do it. 

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Just now, Oggyiu said:

He should not be retained just for making the tournament.

If they have a deep run, then it’s up for conversation 

In the offseason, even his supporters said the floor with this team should be a S16 and anything less would be a failure of a season.

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4 minutes ago, Oggyiu said:

He should not be retained just for making the tournament.

If they have a deep run, then it’s up for conversation 

I’m with you, I don’t think he should. I want him gone. People talk about optics of firing a coach after 3 years vs a full cycle of 4 but it looks even worse to fire a coach that made the tourney.

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5 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Of course. Coaches rarely reach the end of their contracts. Woodson himself said he wanted to win right away because he knew he didn't have a lot of time to do it. 

That’s not what you said though. You said they had no intent on him staying past 4 years. 

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He should not be retained just for making the tournament.
If they have a deep run, then it’s up for conversation 

No he shouldn't be but he probably would be unless they paid him enough to leave. My guess is he would be back. If it's this forgone conclusion he is gone why did the boosters go all in on him??

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5 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I’m with you, I don’t think he should. I want him gone. People talk about optics of firing a coach after 3 years vs a full cycle of 4 but it looks even worse to fire a coach that made the tourney.

UK obviously didn't get that memo last spring. Then again, they don't run their program like a bunch of teenage girls afraid to wear a new dress to the dance. 

 

5 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

That’s not what you said though. You said they had no intent on him staying past 4 years. 

I have no idea how long they planned on him being here. I think they hoped for at least 4 years, which is why they went with 6 for the contract. I think Buckner wanted an extension after Year 2, but Dolson hadn't seen enough, and that's why he got a raise instead. Regardless, letting a coach go into his last 2 seasons with no clear future kills recruiting. They aren't going to bring him back on just 2 years. 

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18 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

UK obviously didn't get that memo last spring. Then again, they don't run their program like a bunch of teenage girls afraid to wear a new dress to the dance. 

 

I have no idea how long they planned on him being here. I think they hoped for at least 4 years, which is why they went with 6 for the contract. I think Buckner wanted an extension after Year 2, but Dolson hadn't seen enough, and that's why he got a raise instead. Regardless, letting a coach go into his last 2 seasons with no clear future kills recruiting. They aren't going to bring him back on just 2 years. 

As you alluded to we’re not UK, they have much higher standards. Look, I want him gone but there is nothing odd about waiting until the end of this season to extend him if he makes the tourney or better.