Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Deserthoozier 1,002]

Here’s where I’m at…

Woody was a poor choice at the time of hire due to lack of college ball experience specifically, and general coaching success more broadly. While many were surprised and questioned it at the time, a big majority, myself included, were willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. NBA recycles, especially if alum, were certainly more in vogue at the time. Legit arguments were made about the appeal of modern NBA style as well as NBA connections that both would be strong recruiting tools. It was fairly assumed from a coaching perspective that he at least understood, and therefore should be able to execute a fast flowing modern NBA style. And, if nothing else, he certainly was an IU guy!
 

After 3 years… mixed recruiting success, mixed player development, and mixed on court success…the body of work was established. The style of play, recruiting , understanding of the modern college game and just flat out ‘energy’ all was substantially lacking - as was on court success. Nevertheless, the admin and stakeholders determined Woody was going to get a 4th year…with top NIL.  While internal politics can be understood, this decision insulted many in one of the most hyper engaged fan bases.  After 3 yrs, there was plenty of resume to see that the decision didn’t pass the eye and smell test. It was the equivalent of running Joe Biden again, when his inability to perform the job was clear to an electorate on all sides. (Not a political statement at all, just statement of obvious).

Thus, a marginally competent Woody was forced on a fan base desperate for hope and success. Gaslighting, and even a bit of head coach generated hostility, ensued - creating more tension. NIL gave IU the ability to kill it in the portal…and getting talent was a success. Style of play issues were acknowledged, blamed on past team personnel, and promised to be changed (again).

Folks came into this season, hopeful with the talent haul, and even optimistic that perhaps MW was committed to the hard work change requires — perhaps out of embarrassment, if nothing else. Early buy game eye tests raised questions - team and coaching has looked disconnected. Wheels fell off at the only preseason opportunity to gain quality wins in Atlantis. Games after Atlantis have only shown continued dysfunction. Coach statements continue to lack acknowledgement of issues, accountability and insight. “Hump” “work harder” “make shots” “young team”. 
 

So, instead of being proactive and managing the obvious, we’ve been forced to endure another mid at best season, with a boatload of talent, but sorely lacking in coaching…perhaps b/c ‘the last guy got 4 yrs, so MW will too’.  But no worries, we’ve had a decade of it prior…so what’s making folks suffer through one more year! Thing is, it’s obvious the emperor has no clothes, the gaslighting has expended any goodwill, and the further you sink it and push away from past successes…the more support you lose, and fail to develop every year. There’s a fair reason to be resentful. 

10+ years of mid performance for a program with our resources, history and fan commitment isn’t acceptable. It’s not the fans…admin owns accountability! 

Fire Mike Woodson!

 

[RaceToTheTop 25,622]

29 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Let’s not forget that part of the grift was to then get his kid hired. 

I have avoided this thread for awhile, but giving his friend Jerome James' kid Dallas a scholarship this year only to see him never get into a game that even a walk on gets into is a grift to me.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,633]

If he would have just shown a little humility at Senior Day but to stand up there and basically give us the middle finger!

[AZ Hoosier 7,031]

36 minutes ago, Deserthoozier said:

Here’s where I’m at…

Woody was a poor choice at the time of hire due to lack of college ball experience specifically, and general coaching success more broadly. While many were surprised and questioned it at the time, a big majority, myself included, were willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. NBA recycles, especially if alum, were certainly more in vogue at the time. Legit arguments were made about the appeal of modern NBA style as well as NBA connections that both would be strong recruiting tools. It was fairly assumed from a coaching perspective that he at least understood, and therefore should be able to execute a fast flowing modern NBA style. And, if nothing else, he certainly was an IU guy!
 

After 3 years… mixed recruiting success, mixed player development, and mixed on court success…the body of work was established. The style of play, recruiting , understanding of the modern college game and just flat out ‘energy’ all was substantially lacking - as was on court success. Nevertheless, the admin and stakeholders determined Woody was going to get a 4th year…with top NIL.  While internal politics can be understood, this decision insulted many in one of the most hyper engaged fan bases.  After 3 yrs, there was plenty of resume to see that the decision didn’t pass the eye and smell test. It was the equivalent of running Joe Biden again, when his inability to perform the job was clear to an electorate on all sides. (Not a political statement at all, just statement of obvious).

Thus, a marginally competent Woody was forced on a fan base desperate for hope and success. Gaslighting, and even a bit of head coach generated hostility, ensued - creating more tension. NIL gave IU the ability to kill it in the portal…and getting talent was a success. Style of play issues were acknowledged, blamed on past team personnel, and promised to be changed (again).

Folks came into this season, hopeful with the talent haul, and even optimistic that perhaps MW was committed to the hard work change requires — perhaps out of embarrassment, if nothing else. Early buy game eye tests raised questions - team and coaching has looked disconnected. Wheels fell off at the only preseason opportunity to gain quality wins in Atlantis. Games after Atlantis have only shown continued dysfunction. Coach statements continue to lack acknowledgement of issues, accountability and insight. “Hump” “work harder” “make shots” “young team”. 
 

So, instead of being proactive and managing the obvious, we’ve been forced to endure another mid at best season, with a boatload of talent, but sorely lacking in coaching…perhaps b/c ‘the last guy got 4 yrs, so MW will too’.  But no worries, we’ve had a decade of it prior…so what’s making folks suffer through one more year! Thing is, it’s obvious the emperor has no clothes, the gaslighting has expended any goodwill, and the further you sink it and push away from past successes…the more support you lose, and fail to develop every year. There’s a fair reason to be resentful. 

10+ years of mid performance for a program with our resources, history and fan commitment isn’t acceptable. It’s not the fans…admin owns accountability! 

Fire Mike Woodson!

Very well stated... and sums up exactly how many of us fans feel about Mike Woodson and Quinn Buckner and their obvious incompetence despite pretty substantial resources. I, personally, am tired of Woodson giving the middle finger to the Hoosier Nation with comments like "true fan" and "did my job". 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,306]

All this nepotism talk is fun but the reality is this. Woodson is starting to have major donors turn on him. Dolson is already out on him. His days are numbered.

Even the Twitter Burners have mostly turned on him. That’s absolutely shocking to me. It’s almost as if they never watched a game of IUBB for 3 years, flocked to the job Spring of 2024 in his defense and are just now seeing the product. Lol.


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[MikeRoberts 6,998]

1 hour ago, ap2345 said:

All this nepotism talk is fun but the reality is this. Woodson is starting to have major donors turn on him. Dolson is already out on him. His days are numbered.

Not what Kathy is saying - “no groundswell” “no uproar from donors” “not on Dolson’s radar”

[OKHOOSIER 2,218]

13 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Very well stated... and sums up exactly how many of us fans feel about Mike Woodson and Quinn Buckner and their obvious incompetence despite pretty substantial resources. I, personally, am tired of Woodson giving the middle finger to the Hoosier Nation with comments like "true fan" and "did my job". 

This also made it really hard for me to root for a MW team. I could probably never get to rooting for losses, but I can’t make myself care about any winning this team does until he’s gone. I’ll watch the games when I can but it isn’t appointment viewing anymore like it’s been for me for 20+ years. Apathy. Our body of work so far means we are going to have to win multiple road games and finish the B1G with 13+ wins to even sniff the bubble, which, LOL. 

[Stuhoo 80,516]

4 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Not what Kathy is saying - “no groundswell” “no uproar from donors” “not on Dolson’s radar”

“Kathy” is quite simply a message board poster and nothing more, and has never claimed otherwise to my knowledge.

Not sure why some on this board started to spread the narrative that the poster has some kind of special knowledge.

[AZ Hoosier 7,031]

7 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Not what Kathy is saying - “no groundswell” “no uproar from donors” “not on Dolson’s radar”

That's why I put anything she says in the same category as NGW/Tyne and others... no one that's seen any of Woodson's product/body of work could honestly and objectively be happy with what they've seen - donors and Dolson included.

[MikeRoberts 6,998]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

“Kathy” is quite simply a message board poster and nothing more, and has never claimed otherwise to my knowledge.

Not sure why some on this board started to spread the narrative that the poster has some kind of special knowledge.

She has claimed to no? If she didn’t, then she is a total troll. She claims to have intimate knowledge of what’s happening within the IU BOT and athletic department 

[Hornsby 1,806]

There’s also a rumor that a player may hit the portal within the next week 

During the season. How does that even work now?

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[Hornsby 1,806]

Not what Kathy is saying - “no groundswell” “no uproar from donors” “not on Dolson’s radar”

Just doing his job. Give him 9 million next year

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[Pagoda 254]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

During the season. How does that even work now?

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Sit out until the portal opens.  Keep their year of eligibility.  Sort of like in football?

[DChoosier 8,346]

30 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

She has claimed to no? If she didn’t, then she is a total troll. She claims to have intimate knowledge of what’s happening within the IU BOT and athletic department 

Chris has stated he knows her and that she is involved in the university (I.e. she is not some dude making stuff up in his basement). 
Her comments, or Chris’s, in regards to the Woody situation shouldn’t be taken as literally as 1+1=2. 
The information in any big organization has “nuance” in that people (BOT-donors, etc) open up to some people while not being transparent to others, three people can overhear something and come to three different conclusions, BOT/management might have different opinions, etc etc.., etc.
I enjoy reading the commentary , don’t consider it “gospel” and realize that probably only 2-3 people really know what is going on ( it might just be the pres and Dolson-hopefully they are counting the days until QB is defanged) but I like reading her perspective (and Chris’s) as additions to the posts with the repetitive valid multiple reasons to fire Woody.

The good news is that I can’t see this going on beyond this season. I’m not sure what is worse, getting blown out or winning in the least inspirational way possible, but both suck.
 

[DChoosier 8,346]

22 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Sit out until the portal opens.  Keep their year of eligibility.  Sort of like in football?

Have they changed the eligibility rule (I don’t know) ? 

Prior to this basketball season a football player could play in as many as 4 games (1/3 of the season) and maintain their eligibility but for some reason basketball players burned their redshirt year by playing in a single game. I hope that still the case as it would be chaos to see hundreds of mid-season transfers.

[Home Jersey 7,346]

7 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

Have they changed the eligibility rule (I don’t know) ? 

Prior to this basketball season a football player could play in as many as 4 games (1/3 of the season) and maintain their eligibility but for some reason basketball players burned their redshirt year by playing in a single game. I hope that still the case as it would be chaos to see hundreds of mid-season transfers.

My understanding is it’s like 33% of the team’s games played and not during the second half of the season (that’s probably not totally accurate/comprehensive though). Functionally think it’s like ~10ish games during the first half of the year. 

EDIT: this may actually be the medical redshirt policy

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5 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

Have they changed the eligibility rule (I don’t know) ? 

Prior to this basketball season a football player could play in as many as 4 games (1/3 of the season) and maintain their eligibility but for some reason basketball players burned their redshirt year by playing in a single game. I hope that still the case as it would be chaos to see hundreds of mid-season transfers.

Looks like you’re right.  One game and redshirt is out unless there is a medical reason.

So, I don’t get why someone would transfer soon.

[DChoosier 8,346]

19 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

My understanding is it’s like 33% of the team’s games played and not during the second half of the season (that’s probably not totally accurate/comprehensive though). Functionally think it’s like ~10ish games during the first half of the year. 

EDIT: this may actually be the medical redshirt policy

That is the medical policy.

I remember a few years ago when Coach K famously put in Joey Baker for a few minutes in the 24th or so game of the year and it completely burned the kids year of eligibility. In the post game presser Coach K acted as though he didn’t know the rule.

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3 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Looks like you’re right.  One game and redshirt is out unless there is a medical reason.

So, I don’t get why someone would transfer soon.

Because you can transfer during Christmas break and spend half a season + a summer working with your new program instead of rotting on the bench of a place that you’re leaving anyway. 

[cbp4iu 1,462]

Personally I feel like Woodson isn’t cutting it and the other factor is his age. At the end of the year IF he needs to go… Cut him loose. What is the point of keeping him if he’s not a good coach and has another down year this year? I mean IU is going to be looking for a new coach within the next 3 years anyways. I’m sure I could retain most of the pieces of the roster with the next coach by offering $$$$ they are close to getting this year.