Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Pagoda 124]

30 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

Yes I think so.  If half of what HH podcast states is true, and hearing his true fan BS during senior day.  He is absolutely fleecing IU.  He is doing his job. 

Yep.  IUBB has existed to serve Mike Woodson since 2021.  Mike's NBA career had reached a dead end, for seven years no one would hire him as a head coach because the whole NBA knew he wasn't good at it.  Quinn used his influence to bail him out and give him the IU job, where he makes 3-4x what he was making in the NBA.  Then IU gives him all the resources he could need to field an elite team: a large budget to run the program and top-20 now top-5 NIL to buy players.

In return, he provides (i) mediocre to poor results on the court, (ii) well documented half-assed effort, and (iii) divisive behavior and rhetoric.  He is toxic and it will be a great day when he leaves.

[JSHoosier 20,025]

I didn't like the Miller hire but at least with him I could squint and see a possibility.

With Woodson we were served spoiled cat food and were supposed to believe it was filet mignon.

[iu-dl 1,455]

20 hours ago, KathywithaC said:

Absolutely none of this do you know to be a fact. I get the rumor and innuendo and your reliance on it as fact, but it’s still not anything you know to be true.

@KathywithaC I actually appreciate all of your posts and transparency even if we all don't like all of the facts you share based on your clear insider knowledge. I, however, find this response to be inaccurate and makes a lot of what you say come into question. This is defending a multi year problem because we can't prove it...case in point: He did blame the fan base on a microphone. That was a jerk move - fact. He is underperforming unless this is the performance expected of him. Long time fans are dropping season tickets - fact. There is very real data here, and I can ramble on if you like.

I personally think his tone of arrogance really gets him into more trouble than just poor coaching. He's borderline unlikable and he doesn't give a F. Saying he's not going anywhere anytime soon and that it's his job as long as he wants it to be...that's super arrogant, and was perceived as nothing more than him reciting what he discusses with QB. 

My point - Rumors all start from somewhere. CMW not engaging with Cig, not attending events, not wanting the women to play on the same court as the mens team, getting in fights with coaches, firing people who question him, not knowing recruits names, putting half of an effort into recruiting because we have a huge NIL program....those are rumors, but those rumors stem from somewhere. I don't like how all of this is avoided because there's a "process" in place. Go talk to all the people that paid huge money to go to the Bahamas to watch an uninspired team "coached" by a guy who needs a nap and see how they feel about rumors versus facts.

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7 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Dolson got to swing for Stevens. After he missed he was told by Buckner & Ferguson that Woody was the guy. 

Pure cronyism.  Sold IUBB down the river for their pal who needed career help after the NBA determined he wasn't head coach material.

[Chris007 43,755]

8 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Did you ever hear if Matta was a 2nd choice (2nd to BS) by Dolson?  I was told by a Woodson connection that Matta's involvement was news to them and the source at least felt like Matta was a potential HC candidate vs just the AD assistant role.  At that point news was starting to leak that Woodson may be the guy when we also started to hear about Matta.    I think Goodman tweeted out something similar.  

I think Dolson had people he wanted to talk to about the job but not sure it ever got that close. Matta was just supposed to help Woodson transition from NBA to CBB. But when he kept getting left out of meetings he took the hint

[Chris007 43,755]

10 minutes ago, iu-dl said:

@KathywithaC I actually appreciate all of your posts and transparency even if we all don't like all of the facts you share based on your clear insider knowledge. I, however, find this response to be inaccurate and makes a lot of what you say come into question. This is defending a multi year problem because we can't prove it...case in point: He did blame the fan base on a microphone. That was a jerk move - fact. He is underperforming unless this is the performance expected of him. Long time fans are dropping season tickets - fact. There is very real data here, and I can ramble on if you like.

I personally think his tone of arrogance really gets him into more trouble than just poor coaching. He's borderline unlikable and he doesn't give a F. Saying he's not going anywhere anytime soon and that it's his job as long as he wants it to be...that's super arrogant, and was perceived as nothing more than him reciting what he discusses with QB. 

My point - Rumors all start from somewhere. CMW not engaging with Cig, not attending events, not wanting the women to play on the same court as the mens team, getting in fights with coaches, firing people who question him, not knowing recruits names, putting half of an effort into recruiting because we have a huge NIL program....those are rumors, but those rumors stem from somewhere. I don't like how all of this is avoided because there's a "process" in place. Go talk to all the people that paid huge money to go to the Bahamas to watch an uninspired team "coached" by a guy who needs a nap and see how they feel about rumors versus facts.

Also to add when she says do we think Woodson or Buckner want to ruin their legacy? Woodson will never surround himself with people who don't already think he is great. His ego will not allow it. I've not been around Buckner long enough to know if his ego is as massive as Mike's is. 

[Chris007 43,755]

8 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Pure cronyism.  Sold IUBB down the river for their pal who needed career help after the NBA determined he wasn't head coach material.

Part of this was from Glass promising Buckner that Woodson would be the guy after Crean. Then went behind his back to hire Miller. So then they were promised the next time it would be Woody. 

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1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Part of this was from Glass promising Buckner that Woodson would be the guy after Crean. Then went behind his back to hire Miller. So then they were promised the next time it would be Woody. 

Can somebody just please promise somebody that the next time, we'll hire a real college basketball coach? Hopefully, a really good one! 

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2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Part of this was from Glass promising Buckner that Woodson would be the guy after Crean. Then went behind his back to hire Miller. So then they were promised the next time it would be Woody. 

Oh Lordy the amount of stupid just keeps increasing in this whole mess. 

[Chris007 43,755]

Just now, LamarCheeks said:

Can somebody just please promise somebody that the next time, we'll hire a real college basketball coach? Hopefully, a really good one! 

I know I was thinking this can't be real as I was typing it out but it was in fact the way it was. Now Dolson has the ammo to say let me hire the basketball coach like I did the football. 

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3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Part of this was from Glass promising Buckner that Woodson would be the guy after Crean. Then went behind his back to hire Miller. So then they were promised the next time it would be Woody. 

Thanks -- I didn't know that.  Quinn is so out of line I can't imagine more negligent and selfish behavior from a trustee with respect to IUBB.

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51 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

He has authority, but making that hire without consulting PW, QB and certain others within the University “family” just doesn’t happen. It works that way everywhere.

So does each "stakeholder" have an equal say?  How many need to agree?  Is it 51%?  60%.  75%. 100%?   Can he use the Costanza rule and just do the opposite of what Quinn suggests?   

[Hornsby 1,706]

Tonight's game is what my officiating partners and I like to call a friends and family night. If you're not a family member of a player or close friend your probably not going. It's cold and it's on TV. CFP is also on and we would rather watch that. 

It's against a horrible team. The Woodson preseason cupcake schedule will probably keep it at two losses. He did his job.

 

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2 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Thanks -- I didn't know that.  Quinn is so out of line I can't imagine more negligent and selfish behavior from a trustee with respect to IUBB.

Quinn has always tried to protect his best friend. Woodson was just trying to hire Buckner's son for a job he wasn't even qualified for

[Golfman25 5,246]

32 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Fans had to try to convince themselves or the administration.  Dolson got to swing for Stevens. After he missed he was told by Buckner & Ferguson that Woody was the guy. 

See the problem is that doesn't sound like a "consensus" to me.  

[Chris007 43,755]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

It's against a horrible team. The Woodson preseason cupcake schedule will probably keep it at two losses. He did his job.

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SHS shoots the 3 well so I would not be surprised if they beat the spread of 13.5

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41 minutes ago, DougJr74 said:

I appreciate the information KathywithaC is giving. We may not like it. It may not be what we want but, I believe she's telling the truth. 

Has anyone ever seen ProvocateurwithaP and DougJr74 in a room at the same time? I rest my case

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2 hours ago, Pagoda said:

No Cathy so far today.  She/he must be staffed on game day activities, no time to defend Woody on the message boards.

She had to remind Mike Woodson who IU was playing tonight. Hopefully, she is okay. 

[Golfman25 5,246]

8 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

It's against a horrible team. The Woodson preseason cupcake schedule will probably keep it at two losses. He did his job.

 

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We are about a week and a half away from the buzzsaw known as Nebraska.  That game will tell us a lot.  

[Chris007 43,755]

Everyone just needs to settle down. We have a lot of new pieces that other teams in CBB don't have. Takes a little time to get them over the hump and to get them to play hard. Don't worry Woody and Money are working on this and we should be ready to go by mid-March.Sorry just having a little fun