Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[MikeRoberts 6,965]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

That’s not how it works just about anywhere. We aren’t unique.

See above. You are uniquely out of touch

[DChoosier 8,191]

5 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Consult.. yes, of course. But the buck should stop with the AD as is the case at most schools. He/she/they don’t have to get anyone’s approval. Hearing people’s opinions is great, that’s called info gathering 

I strongly disagree that AD’s, at any school, don’t  need approvals or are allowed to act unilaterally, if a huge buyout is involved and/or if move is being made on a revenue generating coach.

Do some AD’s have more juice than others? Absolutely,  but none of them operate in an all-powerful position. With all the $$$$$$$$$ sloshing around there are indeed a number of stakeholders.

[Pagoda 99]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

That’s not how it works just about anywhere. We aren’t unique.

Our results are uniquely bad.  We’re doing something different and it is pretty clear what it is.

[KathywithaC 473]

3 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

The difference is trusting Scott to make the decision vs. telling him what the decision is.

Yea he has to get sign-off from Pam and potentially the board, and probably raise money from donors.  However that’s different than Quinn telling Scott the hire really should be Woody or it is going to be Woody.  Or Herbert telling Greenspan that Kelvin is the guy.

Agree, sort of. Rick Greenspan could’ve quit but instead he acceded to the wishes of AH. He later paid the price for not taking a stand. QB has bad varying degrees of influence over the last three hoops coaches. It hasn’t been a free ride for the people involved.

[KathywithaC 473]

2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

See above. You are uniquely out of touch

Not at all. It doesn’t happen as you claimed. ADs build consensus and collaborate when high profile hires are made, and that’s how we do it, too. 

[KathywithaC 473]

3 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Our results are uniquely bad.  We’re doing something different and it is pretty clear what it is.

No they aren’t. Many schools make bad hires. The examples are everywhere. The right fit isn’t as easy as people believe. 

[Pagoda 99]

8 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Agree, sort of. Rick Greenspan could’ve quit but instead he acceded to the wishes of AH. He later paid the price for not taking a stand. QB has bad varying degrees of influence over the last three hoops coaches. It hasn’t been a free ride for the people involved.

And this is the problem that keeps coming up:  Influence from people who don’t know what they’re doing or are conflicted.

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[Pagoda 99]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

No they aren’t. Many schools make bad hires. The examples are everywhere. The right fit isn’t as easy as people believe. 

No top program has struggled like we have.  You know this.

[DChoosier 8,191]

7 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Not sure what you think you're achieving Cathy by coming to the Fire MW thread and telling posters it's not going to happen... We've all known that for quite a while. This is just where people scream into the void until a change is made. 

I don't see how the "push back" is needed or helpful or clarifying anything. 

I’m glad she posts as I actually like reading her institutional/ university perspectives and takes on Dolsons thought process.
Is it more informative to only read the 1,000 posts that all basically just say Woodson sucks, fire him? 

[KathywithaC 473]

5 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

And this is the problem that keeps coming up:  Influence from people who don’t know what they’re doing.

Terry Clapacs, Clarence Donniger, Michael McNeeley, Rick Greenspan, Fred Glass, Scott Dolson - who in this group brought the necessary experience to make consistently good hires?

[KathywithaC 473]

10 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

No top program has struggled like we have.  You know this.

Nebraska football sure has. 

[Pagoda 99]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

Nebraska football sure has. 

We are talking basketball.  Nebraska FB has other structural issues around recruiting, and it’s just a different sport.  Nice try though.

[DChoosier 8,191]

7 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

What do you think a thread called "Fire Mike Woodson" exists to do if not be a corner of the internet for IU fans to vent their frustrations with the state of the program? What is it you would like done, Cathy - for everyone to sit quietly and say "Go Hoosiers!" into oblivion? It's not my job to find solutions for the program. It's the administration's. Please forgive the fans for being frustrated? Sorry it offends you? 

Perhaps I have poor reading comprehension but I don’t think she  defends Woody’s performance or claims that things are going well.
Her posts give a perspective of how the “powers that be” operate but that doesn’t mean that she agrees with their viewpoints or the direction of the program.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,156]

Once again you are proving that he has to go. If we paid top dollar for these mercenaries, that is a fact, and it isn’t a top 10 roster than what the f? We paid top dollar for a not top 10 roster? That is incompetence and stupidity at a minimum

So much of this. Excuse making in its finest. Top 5 nil for a non top 10 roster doesn’t math. While I agree we aren’t top 10 after seeing the pieces deployed in Woodson’s system but that’s his fault too. Both the selection and deployment. And this isn’t the first time. Last years portal decisions were a fireable offense on the spot. Glaring need at SG we we bring in Sparks (misevaluated), Walker (don’t know how to use a solid piece). Awful guard depth. Couldn’t put Banks in a position to succeed.

 

Scratch all those misjudgments and misuses, then get a warchest to build his roster and it’s not top 10? Fireable on its face again.

 

Guy constantly performs under expectations in every regard and doesn’t get held accountable by anyone that matters.

 

Just excuses for days.

 

 

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[DChoosier 8,191]

7 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

I gave it in my post that started your return -- he needs to announce retirement and go out on a high note via a "retirement tour."  Failure to do that risks a hostile assembly hall if things don't go as planned which looks a lot more possible than I originally thought 2 months ago.  

I’m not counting on it happening but agree that a “retirement tour” would be the best case scenario.  Woody would get the hell out of dodge and we could openly put out feelers for his replacement.

[KathywithaC 473]

8 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

We are talking basketball.  Nebraska FB has other structural issues around recruiting, and it’s just a different sport.  Nice try though.

Elaborate on why basketball is more difficult that football. And I already explained to you why we’ve struggled. It’s not a mystery. But Georgetown and Syracuse also say hello. Programs that used to be good are now average. It happens everywhere.

[Pagoda 99]

11 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Terry Clapacs, Clarence Donniger, Michael McNeeley, Rick Greenspan, Fred Glass, Scott Dolson - who in this group brought the necessary experience to make consistently good hires?

Not all of them, but they’re way better than Herbert or Quinn or donors.

Another failure has been some AD hires.

[Pagoda 99]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Elaborate on why basketball is more difficult that football. And I already explained to you why we’ve struggled. It’s not a mystery.

You keep saying IU handles bball coach hires like other schools, yet we’re the only top bball program to suck for 25 years.

You just don’t get how good organizations work.  That’s a good topic for you to study up on.

[DChoosier 8,191]

6 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Thanks to the Dolson/Buckner extension, the buyout won't drop until March 31, 2026.

Extending him, and adding a million a year, was a very poor decision.

That being said, the contract extension also changed his buyout to 1,000,000 a year, rather than a lump sum, which is very easy to absorb.

[KathywithaC 473]

3 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Not all of them, but they’re way better than Herbert or Quinn or donors.

Another failure has been some AD hires.

You think most of those people know more about basketball than Quinn?  Uh, no. Not even close. Most of them hadn’t even been ADs before we hired them.