They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[DChoosier 9,222]

7 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I think your statement confirms his statement.  I think the mercenary comment maybe coming from the fact that Woodson’s lack of be able to recruit more than one HS recruit last year and this year has resulted in him bailing out by using the NIL, I think that is what Mercenaries are.  Last resort and pay for hire!  Just my opinion!  I am sure majority of schools didn’t pay half as much that IU did and could be having just as good of results, if not better.

Most of the IU football starters are portal guys. Are the IU football players simply “mercenaries”? “ I just don’t get labeling individual transfer players as mercenaries when we don’t know the primary motivation of each of those individual players.
 

And yes, I agree that other teams are doing better with lower payrolls which is why I repeatedly say our ROI is not good.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

30 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

Most of the IU football starters are portal guys. Are the IU football players simply “mercenaries”? “ I just don’t get labeling individual transfer players as mercenaries when we don’t know the primary motivation of each of those individual players.
 

And yes, I agree that other teams are doing better with lower payrolls which is why I repeatedly say our ROI is not good.

I think you are missing the point!  I’m not calling anyone a mercenary but I think the way he was using above is a reflection on how MW is using them.  I could be wrong but I think that was a direct statement about Woodson’s recruiting ability.  I just provided a type of definition, which sort of fits IMO

[Hornsby 3,133]

Dolson, in spite of giving Woody a million dollar raise, isn’t stupid and I trust he will try to replicate the Cig template.
Cig was a brilliant  hire but there was also a little luck involved as there are plenty of examples of guys having pristine mid-major resumes that did not successfully make the jump to a power school (also plenty that did have success).

I just hope to hell the basketball gods allow us to hire a winner as these decades of mostly bad/mediocre teams is really wearing me down.

Assuming he is allowed to make a hire. Just how in the world does he get around quinn if Woodson say goes 11-9 in conference and squeaks into the tourney. There is no way quinn is letting his buddy get fired with an over .500 record in the conference. I guess they could try and talk him into quitting I suppose


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[AZ Hoosier 9,350]

37 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

Most of the IU football starters are portal guys. Are the IU football players simply “mercenaries”? “ I just don’t get labeling individual transfer players as mercenaries when we don’t know the primary motivation of each of those individual players.
 

And yes, I agree that other teams are doing better with lower payrolls which is why I repeatedly say our ROI is not good.

As I understand it, the majority (or at least a good portion) of Cignetti's portal transfers are guys that he "brought with" from JMU. A newly hired coach often brings some of his players along with him to the new school... so it's not unusual, and to be expected for a first year coach. I also doubt that Cignetti will be 99+% reliant on portal transfers, differentiating himself even further from Mediocre Mike Woodson and his "recruiting" methods.

[Deserthoozier 1,100]

2 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Dolson needs to send a message to Mediocre Mike that HIS performance is not acceptable.

Not a mod here, or anything close, but would like to propose a thread amendment…

this forum is generally democratic (small d), thus, I think a second and/or 3rd ‘aye’ on the amendment should be more than sufficient to pass it. I do not want to take ownership for the thought…as someone else a hundred or so pages back actually initiated the argument…

Be it declared, from here until employment separation with Indiana University…Mike Woodson no longer merits the title of ‘Mediocre’. While it is the season to be generous, some things are so over the top untrue that to ‘give’ that much simply is unconscionable. There is nothing “Mediocre” about Mike. Upon his hiring, our hope was that he was “Mediocre” at worst, and ideally much better. That hope is now completely gone. Call him many things, almost anything…just not ‘mediocre’, b/c he’s not. Not even close!

[AZ Hoosier 9,350]

3 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Assuming he is allowed to make a hire. Just how in the world does he get around quinn if Woodson say goes 11-9 in conference and squeaks into the tourney. There is no way quinn is letting his buddy get fired with an over .500 record in the conference. I guess they could try and talk him into quitting I suppose


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For one, unless Buckner is given another term (and continues to serve as chair of the BoT), Buckner is done in late spring/early summer. The date I've seen reported for the end of his term is May 31/June 1.

Further, Bucker dug in and said MMW was getting 4 years because Archie got 4 years. The clock runs out on that crap when this season ends.

[JSHoosier 21,594]

1 minute ago, Deserthoozier said:

Not a mod here, or anything close, but would like to propose a thread amendment…

this forum is generally democratic (small d), thus, I think a second and/or 3rd ‘aye’ on the amendment should be more than sufficient to pass it. I do not want to take ownership for the thought…as someone else a hundred or so pages back actually initiated the argument…

Be it declared, from here until employment separation with Indiana University…Mike Woodson no longer merits the title of ‘Mediocre’. While it is the season to be generous, some things are so over the top untrue that to ‘give’ that much simply is unconscionable. There is nothing “Mediocre” about Mike. Upon his hiring, our hope was that he was “Mediocre” at worst, and ideally much better. That hope is now completely gone. Call him many things, almost anything…just not ‘mediocre’, b/c he’s not. Not even close!

Yeah plenty of his "coaching" jobs are pretty pathetic. Mediocre Mike has a better ring to it than Lousy Mike though.

[MemphisHoosier 2,278]

3 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

For one, unless Buckner is given another term (and continues to serve as chair of the BoT), Buckner is done in late spring/early summer. The date I've seen reported for the end of his term is May 31/June 1.

Further, Bucker dug in and said MMW was getting 4 years because Archie got 4 years. The clock runs out on that crap when this season ends.

Not to be that guy, but do we know what CMW's buyout is if fired in-season vs. after the season concludes?

[DChoosier 9,222]

12 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Assuming he is allowed to make a hire. Just how in the world does he get around quinn if Woodson say goes 11-9 in conference and squeaks into the tourney. There is no way quinn is letting his buddy get fired with an over .500 record in the conference. I guess they could try and talk him into quitting I suppose


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I’m not sure but think Quinn is off the board fairly soon. Hope that’s the case.

EDIT: just saw AZ’s post about Quinn’s term being over at the end of May. In addition I hope the boosters that ponied up this year will also be impatient/disgruntled if this year is a train wreck.

[Deserthoozier 1,100]

4 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Yeah plenty of his "coaching" jobs are pretty pathetic. Mediocre Mike has a better ring to it than Lousy Mike though.

In the joyful spirit of alliteration, might I then kindly suggest “Malodorous Mike”? 

[AZ Hoosier 9,350]

19 hours ago, MemphisHoosier said:

Not to be that guy, but do we know what CMW's buyout is if fired in-season vs. after the season concludes?

$8.4M through March 30, 2026. After March 30, 2026, it drops to 50% of remaining ($4.2M).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2024/11/27/what-is-mike-woodson-buyout-contract-how-much-would-indiana-basketball-owe-to-fire-him/72850648007/

EDITED TO CORRECT THE DATES.

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13 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Yeah plenty of his "coaching" jobs are pretty pathetic. Mediocre Mike has a better ring to it than Lousy Mike though.

Miserable Mike

[DChoosier 9,222]

16 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

$8.4M through March 30, 2025. After March 30, 2025, it drops to 50% of remaining ($4.2M). So there are 4.2M reasons he will survive until March 31.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2024/11/27/what-is-mike-woodson-buyout-contract-how-much-would-indiana-basketball-owe-to-fire-him/72850648007/

The nice thing is that he agreed to a staggered payout of 1,000,000 per year, rather than a lump sum or higher payout per year, so money shouldn’t be a factor in firing him.

[AZ Hoosier 9,350]

29 minutes ago, Redleader said:

Miserable Mike

He's not miserable. We are. He's living the life - drinking wine, smoking his cigars and "doing his job". 

[choosierred1 113]

Has the plane left the islands yet?
Was Woodson on it?
Has Woodson been fired yet?
Dolson should "Eberfflus" Woodson!

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[HoosierHoopster 7,636]

54 minutes ago, MemphisHoosier said:

Not to be that guy, but do we know what CMW's buyout is if fired in-season vs. after the season concludes?

Whatever it is is money well spent.

I’m ready to send in my contribution!

[JSHoosier 21,594]

18 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

He's not miserable. We are. He's living the life - drinking wine, smoking his cigars and "doing his job". 

Lazy recruiting because he has some rich friends willing to flush money down the toilet.

[Hornsby 3,133]

For one, unless Buckner is given another term (and continues to serve as chair of the BoT), Buckner is done in late spring/early summer. The date I've seen reported for the end of his term is May 31/June 1.
Further, Bucker dug in and said MMW was getting 4 years because Archie got 4 years. The clock runs out on that crap when this season ends.

Correct he got his four years. But expectations have been lowered so much now it seems just making the tourney is to be celebrated

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[Banksyrules 5,265]

1 hour ago, Hornsby said:

Assuming he is allowed to make a hire. Just how in the world does he get around quinn if Woodson say goes 11-9 in conference and squeaks into the tourney. There is no way quinn is letting his buddy get fired with an over .500 record in the conference. I guess they could try and talk him into quitting I suppose


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Dolson has a lot more power now.  The revenue that will be coming in through having a good football program (donors, allotment, sales, ticket sales) will be ridiculous. Even if Buckner wanted to keep him he can’t because the donor money and has too much power behind it.  It’s all in Dolson’s hands if he wants to make a change. 

[JSHoosier 21,594]

Are we rid of him yet?