Coach Curt Cignetti to INDIANA

[OGIUAndy 775]

Just now, iubb said:

Nope. CTA earned that extension when it was offered. And you would be lying to yourself if you think this site and IU fans as a whole would NOT be pissed off if he got poached shortly after those amazing seasons he had.

 

 

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I also think nobody thought or wanted to believe everything would fall off so fast. It all went bad very quickly. I think even the most negative thinkers would have assumed (even those who know IUFB's history very well) thought we'd get at least one more year of a decent/good/top25 team and then a slower drop back to IUFB mediocrity or something more in the lines of 5-7, 6-6 maybe a 4-8, 3-9 season followed by a 7-5 team etc. 

[Josh 12,783]

13 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

Two donors put the money in his lap.

But yeah when firing a coach is your greatest achievement in 4+ years you ought to be updating the resume.

I understand Dolson to be good at fund raising, so good for him for raising that money.  And good for him for firing Archie.  I know plenty of people who wanted to give him more time instead of moving on.

What do you think he should have done differently in his short tenure?

[IndyResident16 567]

12 minutes ago, iubb said:

Nope. CTA earned that extension when it was offered. And you would be lying to yourself if you think this site and IU fans as a whole would NOT be pissed off if he got poached shortly after those amazing seasons he had.

 

 

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Again, I said he earned an extension after 2020. You can also offer a coach an extension and not fully guarantee his $30 million buyout. If somebody like Florida State really wanted Allen, they were going to get him regardless. Dolson handcuffed himself for no reason and IU once again is back to being the laughing stock of the B10, holding on to a coach two years too long AND still paying him $20 million to go away.

Utter incompetence from the head of the athletic department. He shouldn’t be allowed to make the next hire.

[IndyResident16 567]

4 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

I also think nobody thought or wanted to believe everything would fall off so fast. It all went bad very quickly. I think even the most negative thinkers would have assumed (even those who know IUFB's history very well) thought we'd get at least one more year of a decent/good/top25 team and then a slower drop back to IUFB mediocrity or something more in the lines of 5-7, 6-6 maybe a 4-8, 3-9 season followed by a 7-5 team etc. 

Nobody thought COVID was a fluke? Where teams literally went a week without practicing and still played in weekend games without fans with several opt outs and players being forced to sit out? 

[Artie86 2,475]

16 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

This is not really a rumor. Just a USC "blogger" who made a top 5 possible replacements (a list of HCs who might be fired) for DC job.I saw the article a couple of days ago: https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/lists/usc-defensive-coordinator-search-update-for-november-20-with-notes-and-analysis/. Honestly most of what is a rumor seems to be forum "info". My buddy knows Tom Brewer and his "info" is never more than what we get here. 

Look, I’m not saying my buddy’s source is the right one. We all know how solid things sound on these message boards and the next thing they are wrong. On the flip side, sometimes they actually have something with legs. He’s not say his source is gospel, just that’s what he was told. I asked him if his source was given a timeframe on CTA’s firing and he said, “allegedly “ tomorrow. 

[OGIUAndy 775]

2 minutes ago, cthomas said:

I agree about the job performance part but I haven't seen anything that suggests that he is anything less than a good person. I absolutely hate how we take sports to an incredibly absurd level of importance. It's just sports. We all want our favorite team to be good. But it's just sports. I refuse to crucify a guy because he wasn't the coach we wanted. In terms of IU football who has been in the last 50 years? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is not life altering stuff.

 

 

I agree 100%. Hence lies the irony of college sports. Unfortunately because it is considered so important (more important than the school to a lot of fans) and has become all about the $$$, being a good person does't hold as much weight or patience as maybe it used to. Much like a lot of things, $$ wins the debate. That being said, this is sports, and most sports are about winning and losing and college sports is no different. 

[IndyResident16 567]

6 minutes ago, Josh said:

What do you think he should have done differently in his short tenure?

Not cripple the sport that brings in by far the most money?? Start there.

[DChoosier 9,099]

50 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Just knowing the way IU is, I see zero chance that we hire Fitzgerald. But he would be a grand slam hire. 

He did an amazing job turning around NW but his conference records in his last 4 seasons, in the putrid west division, were 

1-8

6-1

1-8

1-8

Didn’t exactly sustain success.

[Josh 12,783]

1 minute ago, DChoosier said:

He did an amazing job turning around NW but his conference records in his last 4 seasons, in the putrid west division, were 

1-8

6-1

1-8

1-8

Didn’t exactly sustain success.

And I think that 6-1 was with our Peyton Ramsey

[Magisterium 395]

22 minutes ago, cthomas said:

The buyout that we are all criticizing is nothing more than a smart business decision by CTA. Not one of us wouldn't have taken that deal. The fault lies with the people who offered it. Sometimes it works in your favor and sometimes it doesn't.  I think CTA is a good man who is taking a lot of crap right now and it probably hurts. I believe he really thought he could be the guy who made us succeed. He wasn't. Let's keep this about job performance and not make it personal against CTA.

The real problem is not the buyout per se; Glass had already put a similar one in the 2019 contract that the buyout in the 2021 was modeled after.

The real problem is that Dolson chose to change the guaranteed part of the contract from “1st 3 years 100% and last 4 years 50%” (in the 3019 contract) to “1st 4 years 100% and last 3 years 50%” (in the 2021 contract). If Dolson had kept the former buyout terms the same in the new contract, the current buyout would only be about half of what it actually is.

[iuthruandthru 110]

32 minutes ago, rayl456 said:

At some point, if IU wants to be more successful, someone has to change “the way it is”.  That means someone has to have the balls, even if it’s IU’s female president, to say that’s the guy.  Hire him!

This times 100!  I have been saying this for weeks over at HSN.  2024 is the start of a new era for the BIG and someone needs to make a non IU type of hire and the president is into sports.  She may give the nod needed to make that happen.

[Josh 12,783]

8 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

Not cripple the sport that brings in by far the most money?? Start there.

If he crippled us with a $20M extension, but then raises $20M to negate it, was there ever a crippling at all?

[Hoosierfan2017 22,545]

7 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

He did an amazing job turning around NW but his conference records in his last 4 seasons, in the putrid west division, were 

1-8

6-1

1-8

1-8

Didn’t exactly sustain success.

He fizzled out at the end, but before that he won at least 6 games in 10 of 12 seasons, including two 10 win and two 9 win seasons. The program had went to 6 bowl games in its history and he made it to 10 of them. Northwestern has much tougher academic standards than IU, so he wouldn’t have to worry about that here. Plus he’s only 48 years old. I’d love for IU to get him. 

[Hovadipo 58,240]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

If he crippled us with a $20M extension, but then raises $20M to negate it, was there ever a crippling at all?

Boom. The buyout is a non-issue! An accounting trick! Not our problem!

[IndyResident16 567]

7 minutes ago, Josh said:

If he crippled us with a $20M extension, but then raises $20M to negate it, was there ever a crippling at all?

We’ve won 3 conference games the last 3 years. Recruiting is back to Bill Lynch levels bad. There was about 15k fans at the Michigan State game last week. IU is going to lose some 50 players to graduation/portal and Dolson is going to do something dumb like hire ARE and task him with rebuilding a roster despite having ZERO recruiting or head coaching experience. This goes FAR beyond $20 million. 

You tell me.

[IndyResident16 567]

3 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Boom. The buyout is a non-issue! An accounting trick! Not our problem!

Lol the buyout has kept Allen around two extra years and has allowed IU to fall further and further behind.

[Josh 12,783]

4 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

We’ve won 3 conference games the last 3 years. Recruiting is back to Bill Lynch levels bad. There was about 15k fans at the Michigan State game last week. IU is going to lose some 50 players to graduation/portal and Dolson is going to do something dumb like hire ARE and task him with rebuilding a roster despite having ZERO recruiting or head coaching experience. This goes FAR beyond $20 million. 

You tell me.

I'm fully out on hiring Randle-El.  But Dolson hasn't done that, so I won't hold it against him.

The poor results these last couple years are on Allen alone.  When did you want him fired exactly? 

[LamarCheeks 20,250]

9 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Boom. The buyout is a non-issue! An accounting trick! Not our problem!

Still -- it's a shame he has to raise $20M to fire a football coach. That money could be put to so much better use -- like facilities or other upgrades to the program. 

[IndyResident16 567]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

I'm fully out on hiring Randle-El.  But Dolson hasn't done that, so I won't hold it against him.

The poor results these last couple years are on Allen alone.  When did you want him fired exactly? 

Realistically after the 2022 season, but any program worth a salt would have fired him after the 2021 season where he went 0fer in conference after laying one of the biggest eggs of all-time.

[Josh 12,783]

6 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Still -- it's a shame he has to raise $20M to fire a football coach. That money could be put to so much better use -- like facilities or other upgrades to the program. 

Most large donations are donated for specific reasons.  You can't just use the money for whatever you like, the donor says exactly what they want it used for.  If a couple big donations come in to fire Allen, but wouldn't have come in otherwise, then you're really not using facility money to fire a coach.