Maryland vs Indiana - Game Thread, Fri., 12/1 @ 7 BTN

[Demo 19,573]

35 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Woody this morning stated Malik is good to go.  X maybe not so much.

HC Mike Woodson on Xavier Johnson: "We're still evaluating that to see where he is, and if he can't play, it's the next man up"

If X can go I like IU a lot here. But Cupps having to deal with Jahmir Young for 30 mins would be asking a lot.

[str8baller 5,011]

50 minutes ago, Demo said:

If X can go I like IU a lot here. But Cupps having to deal with Jahmir Young for 30 mins would be asking a lot.

I would hope they throw different guys at him including Cupps, Galloway and maybe even Banks off the bench. Not that he necessarily warrants that type of scheming but to help Cupps a little. Him and Galloway will have a handful just splitting full time primary ballhandling duties, imo. 

[Home Jersey 6,525]

If no X, maybe we go zone for a stretch in this game... don't think we will be able to "trick" Willard in the same way we did Payne though...

[IU_FanClub 1,643]

I mean Woody come on this is just a ridiculous thing to say

[str8baller 5,011]

9 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

If no X, maybe we go zone for a stretch in this game... don't think we will be able to "trick" Willard in the same way we did Payne though...

I have only watched them once and not even a full game, but they do not strike me as a good ball movement team. We could probably get by with some stretches of zone.  They’re not a good 3 point shooting team either, although they do get offensive rebounds.   
 

The one caveat is that when we went zone it was almost exclusively with Banks in for Mbako. Who knows how Mbako would hold up in a zone.   
 

With all that said, our m2m is way worse at guarding the 3 than defending the rim. So I don’t worry about Cupps and Galloway as much versus Maryland since they’re not equipped to take advantage of our lapses as much as some teams. As long as those two can run guys off the 3 point line, Ware should be waiting inside. 

[realTomCrean 1,503]

2 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Woody this morning stated Malik is good to go.  X maybe not so much.

HC Mike Woodson on Xavier Johnson: "We're still evaluating that to see where he is, and if he can't play, it's the next man up"

Coach Woodson doesn't ever tip his hat on injuries. It's quite funny actually - he makes it seem like he's clueless on all injuries. 

[realTomCrean 1,503]

30 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Looks like I was right. SMH.

You guys and worrying about who has sources and crap. Is this a popularity contest? I don’t care and don’t want to be right on this one. Buckle up. Going to be a rough few weeks. 
 

edit and add - I am serious, what is it with this board and worrying about who has sources? It is comical for what I am sure is a bunch of 50/60 year olds to act like we are in high school.

I passed on info I heard from more than 1 person who knows many players. The irony is this is exactly what Dave was asking for was insight from campus. I don’t care if it is right or wrong. I heard this few days ago but didn’t post right away for this exact reason.  Don’t want the info, don’t care. Won’t post the additional details on it then. 

My goodness man

[Stuhoo 79,527]

37 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Looks like I was right. SMH.

You guys and worrying about who has sources and crap. Is this a popularity contest? I don’t care and don’t want to be right on this one. Buckle up. Going to be a rough few weeks. 
 

edit and add - I am serious, what is it with this board and worrying about who has sources? It is comical for what I am sure is a bunch of 50/60 year olds to act like we are in high school.

I passed on info I heard from more than 1 person who knows many players. The irony is this is exactly what Dave was asking for was insight from campus. I don’t care if it is right or wrong. I heard this few days ago but didn’t post right away for this exact reason.  Don’t want the info, don’t care. Won’t post the additional details on it then. 

Treat people the way that you would like to be treated. Even when they disagree with you. Even when they’re snotty! Because if you do that, eventually, they will come around and treat you well in return.

You wouldn’t be the first poster on this board who adjusted their posting style and tolerance for others a little bit, still posted real substance and controversial takes, and ended up being absolutely appreciated.

There’s one regular guy in particular here who generated a **** ton of complaints early on, still posts lots of not mainstream hot takes, and is now very much appreciated.

[ziggyiu 554]

1 hour ago, IU_FanClub said:

I mean Woody come on this is just a ridiculous thing to say

It's also a ridiculous question. There's no good answer to something like this. It's bait that coaches shouldn't take. 

[DoctorP 897]

2 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

Looks like I was right. SMH.

You guys and worrying about who has sources and crap. Is this a popularity contest? I don’t care and don’t want to be right on this one. Buckle up. Going to be a rough few weeks. 
 

edit and add - I am serious, what is it with this board and worrying about who has sources? It is comical for what I am sure is a bunch of 50/60 year olds to act like we are in high school.

I passed on info I heard from more than 1 person who knows many players. The irony is this is exactly what Dave was asking for was insight from campus. I don’t care if it is right or wrong. I heard this few days ago but didn’t post right away for this exact reason.  Don’t want the info, don’t care. Won’t post the additional details on it then. 

 

[Home Jersey 6,525]

7 hours ago, str8baller said:

I have only watched them once and not even a full game, but they do not strike me as a good ball movement team. We could probably get by with some stretches of zone.  They’re not a good 3 point shooting team either, although they do get offensive rebounds.   
 

The one caveat is that when we went zone it was almost exclusively with Banks in for Mbako. Who knows how Mbako would hold up in a zone.   
 

With all that said, our m2m is way worse at guarding the 3 than defending the rim. So I don’t worry about Cupps and Galloway as much versus Maryland since they’re not equipped to take advantage of our lapses as much as some teams. As long as those two can run guys off the 3 point line, Ware should be waiting inside. 

The match up with Jahmir Young is concerning to me with X out - Cupps definitely can't guard him for a sustained portion of the game and Galloway would probably struggle too. Obviously m2m is our bread and butter so I don't think we'll start in zone either but may end up needing to. I just hope this isn't the game Maryland ends up figuring things out from 3. 

The question on Mack in a zone is interesting for sure. He's been looking better each game on D, still a long way to go, but much better vs. Harvard. As Woody says "He's a freshman" so he's going to be figuring things out all year, but I'm confident he is going to be in much better position to stay on the court come January. This game in particular where X is out - I think we'd really get to see just how valuable Leal really is in terms of ball movement/talking on D and getting guys into the right spots. If he shows enough to earn some/all of CJ's minutes, that means a lot for this team from a depth point of view. 

Banks has made a very worthy case for more minutes too. For a few minutes vs Harvard, they played together with Mack at the two. I'd be curious about the +/- for that stretch of the game, but I think I recall it looking pretty decent. Shots will hopefully start to fall as guys play more games and get into a better rhythm playing together/at this level.

It's sort of funny... we had to go 3 guards to win our early "warm up" games. If we see more of the big lineup as we did vs. Harvard where 1) Trey/Cupps/XJ 2) Mack 3) Banks 4) Reneau/Walker 5) Ware ... play together and look pretty good, that's going to be very tough for a lot of teams to match up with. I wouldn't bet on this rotation seeing a ton of minutes but it's clearly been experimented with once, so maybe we see it again as injuries unfold/people earn more or less minutes based on play. Shooting over that length/height in a zone?

Tough. All that to say... we're still learning a lot about this team. It's still EARLY days this season...

[IU_FanClub 1,643]

If X is out, will be interesting to see what happens with the guards. Does CJ get extended minutes and do something with them? Do you start Cupps or bring him off the bench? Does Leal get minutes again? Could all be very interesting. I would not mind seeing 5-10 minutes from Leal especially after seeing him play Sunday. He's a smart player and I think he can contribute positive play in short spurts.

[RaceToTheTop 24,845]

19 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

Odd response

you don’t, just like Rabby was wrong on the coach search and half the stuff posted here is random BS. I guess I can start claiming to be something. 

I was sharing what I heard from a few people who have been right on some stuff before. If they heard it, it is out there even if not right. Didn’t ask, it was shared freely. Again, good chance it is wrong but I wouldn’t be surprised either based on him having an injury, being questionable and re-aggravating it.  I hadn’t said it directly as I was waiting to see it come up from others rather than be questioned and told I don’t know anything. I have found it odd it hasn’t been spoken of at all this week. 

Ankle/foot injury’s of that kind are no joke for an athlete. The whole “rub some dirt on it” mentality is not really a thing with these athletes anymore. They know it can spiral bad if ignored. 

I knew an athlete (high school age) this past year with a similar foot injury, decided to play through it against doctor and trainer direction. That ended up in surgery, out for 4 months. Then, they came back and tore their acl (same leg) in 2 weeks from return. Can’t really ignore these things. 

again, I hope someone comes and tells me I am full of it because I don’t think we can compete without him. 

I am not trying to be difficult, just helpful.  The poster you are responding to simply asked 'with no attributes, how can we know what you post is based on anything?'

That post is not a dig.  It's asking what information/knowledge you were posting it on.  Asking you what your opinion is based on is advancing the conversation.  You providing the context above is simply what he was asking for, although I'm not sure where the 'rub some dirt on it' mentality you mention is coming from.  I don't recall anyone saying that X isn't 'manning up' and should be playing if he can't go.

[Home Jersey 6,525]

4 hours ago, IU_FanClub said:

I mean Woody come on this is just a ridiculous thing to say

Just the tweet itself is a bit misleading IMO. The "..." includes "you ever thought about that? That could happen. I'm just saying, everyone puts so much on analytics. Aye, maybe we might be that team to make it. The bottom line guys is, we're sitting here with 1 loss, some wins. Got a lot of work still on our hands."  After where the quote finishes, he says "We haven't made the 3 point shot, but we still are winning and maybe the 3 point shot will come around, I don't know. We work on them every day just like we do Free Throws, shooting 2s, rebounding the basketball. Doing all the things you're supposed to do in terms of preparing for a game and getting better. So all we can do is hope that they put the ball in the hole when they shoot the 3. And if they don't, then I gotta feel like they're going to go down and get some stops and rebound the ball to give us another shot at it again."

More of a "the game's not all about analytics" comment than a "we're not going to shoot 3s" comment.

[IU_FanClub 1,643]

19 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Just the tweet itself is a bit misleading IMO. The "..." includes "you ever thought about that? That could happen. I'm just saying, everyone puts so much on analytics. Aye, maybe we might be that team to make it. The bottom line guys is, we're sitting here with 1 loss, some wins. Got a lot of work still on our hands."  After where the quote finishes, he says "We haven't made the 3 point shot, but we still are winning and maybe the 3 point shot will come around, I don't know. We work on them every day just like we do Free Throws, shooting 2s, rebounding the basketball. Doing all the things you're supposed to do in terms of preparing for a game and getting better. So all we can do is hope that they put the ball in the hole when they shoot the 3. And if they don't, then I gotta feel like they're going to go down and get some stops and rebound the ball to give us another shot at it again."

More of a "the game's not all about analytics" comment than a "we're not going to shoot 3s" comment.

Thank you for clarifying. Nothing more frustrating than "reporters" tweeting out of context quotes I guess.

[Home Jersey 6,525]

8 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

Thank you for clarifying. Nothing more frustrating than "reporters" tweeting out of context quotes I guess.

Honestly its frustrating that the local press/beat writers are pushing this narrative - after 6 games - that because we haven't been hitting 3s, we're somehow climbing an uphill battle compared to everyone else (basically what this reporter's fully phrased question is implying). Makes me question a little bit how much they like Woody tbh lol. Not that I care about that. 

Woodson has previously commented about him not wanting to put pressure on guys that they need to be making 3s because he believes they can win the game in other ways. And if the 3s fall, great. But we won't live and die by them - which I consider a good thing. 

It has not looked to me like they've been told "do not shoot 3s" to me as much as that's just not the primary objective of our offense. Will we hopefully see more 3s taken/made as a natural byproduct of improving over the course of the season/getting better about the details, like how in the Harvard game we could have shot 20 3s instead of 16 3s if people checked their feet more closely. 

Defense and rebounding are my bigger concerns at the moment. Yes shooting needs to get better too of course. 

[IU_FanClub 1,643]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

Honestly its frustrating that the local press/beat writers are pushing this narrative - after 6 games - that because we haven't been hitting 3s, we're somehow climbing an uphill battle compared to everyone else (basically what this reporter's fully phrased question is implying).

Woodson has previously commented about him not wanting to put pressure on guys that they need to be making 3s because he believes they can win the game in other ways. And if the 3s fall, great. But we won't live and die by them - which I consider a good thing. 

It has not looked to me like they've been told "do not shoot 3s" to me as much as that's just not the primary objective of our offense. Will we hopefully see more 3s taken/made as a natural byproduct of improving over the course of the season/getting better about the details, like how in the Harvard game we could have shot 20 3s instead of 16 3s if people checked their feet more closely. 

Defense and rebounding are my bigger concerns at the moment. Yes shooting needs to get better too of course. 

I agree with you, we mad a lot of jump shots on Sunday the problem was like 5 of them were long 2s lol. Woody is honestly probably sick and tired of the media already this year they have been all over us with negativity.

[cthomas 6,299]

It's CMW's team to coach until it's not. XJ or no XJ, he will put on the floor the guys he thinks give us the best chance to win. He sees them in practice and the staff has input as well. As far as the zone goes, I wasn't that impressed with it. Nobody looked like they were comfortable or knew where they were supposed to be. If the opponent can't shoot threes, then maybe. Otherwise, our zone three point defense is worse than our m2m.  

[Whoozhers 3,647]

Don’t know the finer points of X’s & O’s but ……  I do know HOOSIERS CANNOT lose at home.

Protect the Home hardwood!

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Beat the dog outta the tortie!!

[Dave from Dayton 2,923]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

@RaceToTheTop Appreciate it. 

Let me try and reply to a few in one post. Maybe that isn’t the right posting etiquette? 

I feel like I need a book to translate stuff on here half the time. Haha. There seems to be so many rules about responding to more than one topic in replying to someone, tone, dragging on topics, create new ones, etc.  @Stuhoo I have honestly tried to adjust big time believe it or not. Half the time I don’t even understand why someone wouldn’t expect me to respond back with anything but in kind when the reply was nothing but a dig. Speaking of DoctorP - No debating It or advancing of conversation. To me, it just seems simple - read what you want, ignore what you don’t, debate if you want but dig for sake of digging, yeah… will try to ignore but not easy. 

@RaceToTheTop Maybe that wasn’t his intent. But he asked for any insight from campus, I gave it (with a take it for what it’s worth mentality) and was dismissed as not being enough detail. Seemed like he wanted to know who said it or how I heard it. Not going to out specific people. Just not.  I will say, same people that told me the players knew the football coach around 5/6pm yesterday while Rabby was posting lists without his name at all. I have said this before and will say it again - I don’t want or need any message board credibility. Zero desire. I simply share my thoughts, feelings, things I hear, things I believe etc. if I am wrong 50%, 90%, 10% - don’t care.  Why am I typing a novel again, because I would love to have a place to share IU fandom online, some debate etc without needing to defend myself all the time. Hoping people get me and stop thinking there is more there. 

My comment on “rubbing some dirt on it” was things in the past like a foot or ankle may have been treated with, let’s tape it up and push through. That is rarely case now. They don’t want to risk something fairly small turning into a big thing. They already tried it once and he “tweaked it” again. Could he play on it, I am sure he could. Will he, I don’t think Woody or X is being advised to do so and Woody has stated before he listens to the medical staff.  Was trying to explain while something that may seem small is now a multi-game thing potentially.  In the future, maybe I need to add things like - “this has nothing to do with my reply, added context and my opinion”. Not sure. 
 

I hope like hell I am wrong and gladly old takes expose myself if that means he can play. I just don’t think he will be for a bit. I think many fans will get a reality check. There have been many on here say they could care less if X plays or not. Give them Cupps. That scares me greatly for the start to Big Ten play. 

 

Sorry, missed where it was posted it was from campus.    That definitely is what I was looking for.  Hard to believe that I would have missed it.  I am a technical contract reviewer professional.  Kind of the opposite from the silliness I post.

There are enough rumors going around and I wanted to step past that.   I was looking for someone to comment that there actually was an X siting.

I read your post that 'some people said'...and didn't see the 'campus' reference.  Maybe it was added as an edit after I read it.  

I did not intend to 'dismiss' you or your post.  I was looking for something other than 'some people'.  

I strive to say things that are not personal.  I discuss posts...not the poster.  

My favorite saying might just be: Listen with the intent to understand; not with the intent to respond.  It is difficult, sometimes, for me to do that.