Michigan State football coach Mel Tucker accused of sexually harassing rape survivor

[Stuhoo 85,532]

22 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Holy cow did not notice that.  Did they even bother to tell him to not do it again 

 

Also known at MSU as, "The Izzo Strategy."

 

[Hovadipo 59,544]

28 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Did anyone else notice the timeline here?

December 2022 the complaint is made and an investigation is started.

July 2023 the the investigation is finished.

Only after it becomes public via a USA Today article in September is he suspended. 

MSU just doesn't change.

Everything that I have read says that this is normal for a Title IX investigation. It takes an extremely long time and no one outside of the actual investigators know anything about the case at all until a hearing is had. I believe that hearing is happening in October. In that case, it makes sense that Tucker isn't dealt with until the details come out because even the highest employees of the athletic department don't know anything besides that there is a Title IX investigation happening, to protect victims.

[Stuhoo 85,532]

4 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Everything that I have read says that this is normal for a Title IX investigation. It takes an extremely long time and no one outside of the actual investigators know anything about the case at all until a hearing is had. I believe that hearing is happening in October. In that case, it makes sense that Tucker isn't dealt with until the details come out because even the highest employees of the athletic department don't know anything besides that there is a Title IX investigation happening, to protect victims.

^This^^

You don't suspend someone just because a complaint is made, unless there is an imminent threat. Otherwise, anyone with an axe to grind could take out a public figure just by making the complaint. And in the grand scheme of things, the allegation that he sexually harassed Ms. Tracy does not constitute imminent threat, especially when she states in the complaint that there had been no contact between them for months.

The longer articles on this make it clear that the investigator(s) were prepared before they conducted interviews; they'd compiled travel, expense, and phone records. That's necessary to conduct thorough interviews.

Getting those records can take real time - sometimes months.

[go iu bb 7,693]

19 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Everything that I have read says that this is normal for a Title IX investigation. It takes an extremely long time and no one outside of the actual investigators know anything about the case at all until a hearing is had. I believe that hearing is happening in October. In that case, it makes sense that Tucker isn't dealt with until the details come out because even the highest employees of the athletic department don't know anything besides that there is a Title IX investigation happening, to protect victims.

 

14 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

^This^^

You don't suspend someone just because a complaint is made, unless there is an imminent threat. Otherwise, anyone with an axe to grind could take out a public figure just by making the complaint. And in the grand scheme of things, the allegation that he sexually harassed Ms. Tracy does not constitute imminent threat, especially when she states in the complaint that there had been no contact between them for months.

The longer articles on this make it clear that the investigator(s) were prepared before they conducted interviews; they'd compiled travel, expense, and phone records. That's necessary to conduct thorough interviews.

Getting those records can take real time - sometimes months.

In the article, it states that the hearing is indeed in October. However, it also states that they hired an outside attorney to investigate the claims and her investigation was completed in July, so at that point it was no longer just a complaint. Between July and September, the only thing that has changed seems to be that it became public in September. At that point, the university almost immediately suspended him. The only reason he's suspended is because it's public. 

Either they had enough to suspend him and didn't or they suspended him without enough to do so but only to look good to the public. From the sounds of it, they probably would've been justified for suspending him merely for lying to the investigators. They're gutless and don't take this stuff seriously unless it becomes public.

[Stuhoo 85,532]

11 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

 

In the article, it states that the hearing is indeed in October. However, it also states that they hired an outside attorney to investigate the claims and her investigation was completed in July, so at that point it was no longer just a complaint. Between July and September, the only thing that has changed seems to be that it became public in September. At that point, the university almost immediately suspended him. The only reason he's suspended is because it's public. 

Either they had enough to suspend him and didn't or they suspended him without enough to do so but only to look good to the public. From the sounds of it, they probably would've been justified for suspending him merely for lying to the investigators. They're gutless and don't take this stuff seriously unless it becomes public.

After MSU got the investigative report in July? Absent info to the contrary, 100% agree with you. 

MSU was probably hoping for a settlement with a non-disclosure agreement. The media reporting this week blew that clean out of the water. ******* dirtbag weasels are they.

[Hovadipo 59,544]

18 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

 

In the article, it states that the hearing is indeed in October. However, it also states that they hired an outside attorney to investigate the claims and her investigation was completed in July, so at that point it was no longer just a complaint. Between July and September, the only thing that has changed seems to be that it became public in September. At that point, the university almost immediately suspended him. The only reason he's suspended is because it's public. 

Either they had enough to suspend him and didn't or they suspended him without enough to do so but only to look good to the public. From the sounds of it, they probably would've been justified for suspending him merely for lying to the investigators. They're gutless and don't take this stuff seriously unless it becomes public.

 

9 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

After MSU got the investigative report in July? Absent info to the contrary, 100% agree with you. 

MSU was probably hoping for a settlement with a non-disclosure agreement. The media reporting this week blew that clean out of the water. ******* dirtbag weasels are they.

I'm under the impression that the athletic department didn't know the details until USA Today put this out over the weekend, with the help of Brenda Tracy herself. I could be wrong and missing something of course, but that's what I've seen from folks on the MSU beat. Was this outside attorney brought in by the athletic department or MSU's Title IX department? There's a major difference.

Edit: I stopped being lazy and read the article. The MSU Title IX office hired the investigator, therefore I'm still of the belief that until Tracy gave USA Today this story and they blasted it out, the MSU athletic department didn't know any of this as the report would stay sealed until the hearing, again, to protect the accuser.

[go iu bb 7,693]

5 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

 

I'm under the impression that the athletic department didn't know the details until USA Today put this out over the weekend, with the help of Brenda Tracy herself. I could be wrong and missing something of course, but that's what I've seen from folks on the MSU beat. Was this outside attorney brought in by the athletic department or MSU's Title IX department? There's a major difference.

Edit: I stopped being lazy and read the article. The MSU Title IX office hired the investigator, therefore I'm still of the belief that until Tracy gave USA Today this story and they blasted it out, the MSU athletic department didn't know any of this as the report would stay sealed until the hearing, again, to protect the accuser.

Good point.

[TTT 1,130]

Seems to me it’s quite a bit faster than the whole Penn State football fiasco and maybe Michigan fiasco  (according to ex football players) and Michigan State gymnastics and whoever else in their own individual situations.

[RaceToTheTop 28,523]

Michigan State:  Where NIL means 'Nother Idiot Litigated.

[Hoosierfan2017 23,352]

I kind of think MSU probably handled this properly (without really reading much). It’s not like they had an incentive to cover this up. Tucker sucks. This is a get out of jail free card for that $95 million contract they foolishly gave him. 

[TTT 1,130]

Unless he is criminally charged and prosecuted…Does MSU let’s say pay out $20,000,000 plus attorney fees (more or less) million….then the ex coach is a big winner and doesn’t even have to work a future day to get it.  Is any or all of it taxable? Especially, if he becomes Reverend Mel.
Sounds good for him to me.

side note:  it will be at his option as to any other job/career opportunities as how it affects any kind of payout if that happens…but in today’s world there will be opportunities for him if he desires any of them….that’s just the way it is for those kinds of lowly 96,000,000 million/s dollar income earners/receivers.

[Stuhoo 85,532]

42 minutes ago, TTT said:

Unless he is criminally charged and prosecuted…Does MSU let’s say pay out $20,000,000 plus attorney fees (more or less) million….then the ex coach is a big winner and doesn’t even have to work a future day to get it.  Is any or all of it taxable? Especially, if he becomes Reverend Mel.
Sounds good for him to me.

side note:  it will be at his option as to any other job/career opportunities as how it affects any kind of payout if that happens…but in today’s world there will be opportunities for him if he desires any of them….that’s just the way it is for those kinds of lowly 96,000,000 million/s dollar income earners/receivers.

Unless he is criminally charged and prosecuted…Does MSU let’s say pay out $20,000,000 plus attorney fees (more or less) million

• No. WAY too much, and while criminal prosecution would do a lot toward a non-payment, it is in no way necessary for MSU to attempt to zero him out, or settle for very little if they think he clearly violated the morals clause of his contract.

Is any or all of it taxable?

• Yes, it is all taxable.

[Brass Cannon 25,174]

23 minutes ago, TTT said:

Unless he is criminally charged and prosecuted…Does MSU let’s say pay out $20,000,000 plus attorney fees (more or less) million….then the ex coach is a big winner and doesn’t even have to work a future day to get it.  Is any or all of it taxable? Especially, if he becomes Reverend Mel.
Sounds good for him to me.

side note:  it will be at his option as to any other job/career opportunities as how it affects any kind of payout if that happens…but in today’s world there will be opportunities for him if he desires any of them….that’s just the way it is for those kinds of lowly 96,000,000 million/s dollar income earners/receivers.

If I’m MSU I refuse to pay him a dime.  The PR hit would just be too great. Take it to court. If the judges side against you they are the bad guys

[Hovadipo 59,544]

Tucker dropped a pretty long, pretty fiery statement last night basically saying he’s fighting tooth and nail. I’m done trying to figure this thing out, it’s going to be a mess. If (I said IF) what he is claiming is true though? Whew. 

[Brass Cannon 25,174]

4 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Tucker dropped a pretty long, pretty fiery statement last night basically saying he’s fighting tooth and nail. I’m done trying to figure this thing out, it’s going to be a mess. If (I said IF) what he is claiming is true though? Whew. 

Just read his account seems like he is stretching pretty hard but stranger things have happened.

Regardless even in his version he admits to having an extramarital affair of sorts while on school funded trips. He’s not a monster in his scenario just a pathetic loser I guess. 

[Stuhoo 85,532]

2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Tucker dropped a pretty long, pretty fiery statement last night basically saying he’s fighting tooth and nail. I’m done trying to figure this thing out, it’s going to be a mess. If (I said IF) what he is claiming is true though? Whew. 

Under his version, it is a completely consensual relationship, including with an admission to the phone sex. 

Since Brenda Tracy was a contracted, paid vendor, a married coach that is having a sexual relationship with a paid sexual assault prevention consultant is not a winning formula for Tucker given the morals clauses of his contract IMO. Dropping the "people have told me her life is a sham" to an ESPN reporter won't do him him any favors either.

And that's his best path to a settlement.

[TTT 1,130]

And unless criminally prosecuted…even after vacation time off there will be opportunities for this individual whether in;  football, fund raising/nonprofit, acting, ministry work, political, business, advocacy, counseling, social etc etc etc and though not millions but a solid above livable income.

[Stuhoo 85,532]

4 minutes ago, TTT said:

And unless criminally prosecuted…even after vacation time off there will be opportunities for this individual whether in;  football, fund raising/nonprofit, acting, ministry work, political, business, advocacy, counseling, social etc etc etc and though not millions but a solid above livable income.

Yes. As it should be.

And he most certainly will not be criminally prosecuted; I cannot imagine what he could possibly be criminally prosecuted for!

[Alford Bailey 12,822]

I continue to be amazed at how dumb folks in high profile positions can be…..

[Brass Cannon 25,174]

On 9/12/2023 at 9:55 AM, Alford Bailey said:

I continue to be amazed at how dumb folks in high profile positions can be…..

To be fair you work at MSU you expect at least a couple of cover ups before they actually do anything to you