IUBB vs Purdue: 2/25 @7:30 on FOX

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

33 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

This talk about JHS leaving early is 50/50 in my opinion. This is the advantage of Woodson being well connected to the NBA. Hopefully NBA scouts will be fair and honest with him and he hopefully has good people around to confirm or deny that information.  Personally I think he should come back. Someone made the argument that you go in early to play for the second contract. That's true but you also need playing minutes so that people can give you that contract. Playing minutes is hard to come by for players even chosen from pick 16 to the end of the first round.  If he goes to a final four and dominates then yeah he's probably going to be a top 10 pick and should leave but if he's inconsistent he should stay so he has a better chance to be in that draft range so he can get more playing time.   

What is the difference between the 10th and 11th pick?

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39 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

This talk about JHS leaving early is 50/50 in my opinion. This is the advantage of Woodson being well connected to the NBA. Hopefully NBA scouts will be fair and honest with him and he hopefully has good people around to confirm or deny that information.  Personally I think he should come back. Someone made the argument that you go in early to play for the second contract. That's true but you also need playing minutes so that people can give you that contract. Playing minutes is hard to come by for players even chosen from pick 16 to the end of the first round.  If he goes to a final four and dominates then yeah he's probably going to be a top 10 pick and should leave but if he's inconsistent he should stay so he has a better chance to be in that draft range so he can get more playing time.   

95+% if I had to venture a guess.

[Banksyrules 5,343]

34 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

What is the difference between the 10th and 11th pick?

It depends on the draft year but honestly there's also a little bit of politics when it comes to playing a top ten pick because a front office doesn't want to look like fools at first so they typically play. I just don’t want JHS to be in a situation and be drafted by a team like my Knicks in the later rounds. Obi Toppin (8th pick taken) deserves more playing time and deserved more development time. But we have Tom Tibadeu (sp) as our coach and only plays established players.   There are a lot of Coaches in the NBA that only care about winning now (to preserve their contracts)and really don't want to develop players. When you're a top 5-10 ( guaranteed top 5 at least) you typically forced by management to play the kid.  But even at 8 Obi Toppin will have to play somewhere else to get a good contract. 

[Golfman25 6,832]

9 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

I think JHS is gone. But it’s also important to note that the NBA isn’t about the first contract it’s about putting yourself in a great position to contribute enough to warrant a second legit contract.
 

That’s what Cody did and it worked for him.  Maybe he could have snagged two more contracts after his rookie deal leaving after 1 year.  But maybe not  maybe his PER his rookie year is single digits deemed too much of a project and gets forgotten about  

 

So this begs the question.  Do you go to the NBA to “develop” or should you already be developed?  With a four year rookie contract you don’t have much time. So if you’re not ready to go in and make an immediate impact, maybe you want to wait?  

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17 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

So this begs the question.  Do you go to the NBA to “develop” or should you already be developed?  With a four year rookie contract you don’t have much time. So if you’re not ready to go in and make an immediate impact, maybe you want to wait?  

You go as soon as you'll be getting a large, guaranteed NBA contract. Which is where JHS is.

Him being a one and done is very, very good for IU IMO. Liam McNeeley will take note. Liam is 6'6", skilled, not physically dominant, and playing the point very effectively for Montverde.  In other words, while every player is different, it's incredibly easy for him to see the direct comp between him and JHS. And I would hope that JHS is reporting back to Montverde that he made an excellent decision in choosing IUBB.

This is great stuff. We get a shot at a national championship because JHS is one of our key guys, the talented culture guys like Trey Galloway carry the program torch from year to year, and other top 25 players see that we are a path to being an NBA first round pick.

Perfect.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

18 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

It depends on the draft year but honestly there's also a little bit of politics when it comes to playing a top ten pick because a front office doesn't want to look like fools at first so they typically play. I just want JHS to be in a situation and be drafted by a team like my Knicks in the later rounds. Obi Toppin (8th pick taken) deserves more playing time and deserved more development time. But we have Tom Tibadeu (sp) as our coach and only plays established players.   There are a lot of Coaches in the NBA that only care about winning now (to preserve their contracts)and really don't want to develop players. When you're a top 5-10 ( guaranteed top 5 at least) you typically forced by management to play the kid.  But even at 8 Obi Toppin will have to play somewhere else to get a good contract. 

I'm confused by what you're saying here. You want JHS to fall later in the first round so he'll be drafted by the Knicks but you want him to stay at IU to develop into a top 5 pick so it forces management to play him?

[Banksyrules 5,343]

3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'm confused by what you're saying here. You want JHS to fall later in the first round so he'll be drafted by the Knicks but you want him to stay at IU to develop into a top 5 pick so it forces management to play him?

Sorry need to edit . Don’t want him drafted by my Knicks

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1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

So this begs the question.  Do you go to the NBA to “develop” or should you already be developed?  With a four year rookie contract you don’t have much time. So if you’re not ready to go in and make an immediate impact, maybe you want to wait?  

It’s a tough call.  Going to the NBA to develop is risky because you can easily get buried and forgotten about 

[Scotty R 3,768]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

You go as soon as you'll be getting a large, guaranteed NBA contract. Which is where JHS is.

Him being a one and done is very, very good for IU IMO. Liam McNeeley will take note. Liam is 6'6", skilled, not physically dominant, and playing the point very effectively for Montverde.  In other words, while every player is different, it's incredibly easy for him to see the direct comp between him and JHS. And I would hope that JHS is reporting back to Montverde that he made an excellent decision in choosing IUBB.

This is great stuff. We get a shot at a national championship because JHS is one of our key guys, the talented culture guys like Trey Galloway carry the program torch from year to year, and other top 25 players see that we are a path to being an NBA first round pick.

Perfect.

I am sorry but I don't see a great player leaving as being great for the program.  I rather have the talent in hand over what talent we might get.

Edited February 27, 2023 by Scotty R

[MikeRoberts 7,997]

5 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I am sorry but I don't see a great player leaving as being great for the program.  I rather have the talent in hand over what talent we might get.

I see what Stu is saying but tend to agree with you.

having JHS as a one and done “CAN” help the staff recruit other one and done type talents so “IF” it plays out that way over and over and we get a JHS level player every year it is a good thing.

However, that has yet to be seen and as is currently a big “IF” so until we backfill him with another like talent, it’s a negative for IU

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

So this begs the question.  Do you go to the NBA to “develop” or should you already be developed?  With a four year rookie contract you don’t have much time. So if you’re not ready to go in and make an immediate impact, maybe you want to wait?  

I believe it's dependent on the individual and their situation. There are players that need the NBA for whatever reason (money, focus on development over school, coaches, etc.) while others might be able to delay it for a year or they enjoy their current situation.

How many rookies actually make an immediate impact? Defining immediate impact as being a rotation player or better.

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3 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I see what Stu is saying but tend to agree with you.

having JHS as a one and done “CAN” help the staff recruit other one and done type talents so “IF” it plays out that way over and over and we get a JHS level player every year it is a good thing.

However, that has yet to be seen and as is currently a big “IF” so until we backfill him with another like talent, it’s a negative for IU

We're not a program that will get a talent like JHS at PG every recruiting class. We need to continue to get multiyear PGs that will develop or more experienced PGs through the portal. When a talent like JHS comes along you obviously take him but don't believe relying on a frosh PG every season is a winning formula.

It would be interesting to see how this season had played out without XJ being injured. Does JHS continue to facilitate and take over when needed? Does he play and score more off ball with XJ running the show?

[Hardwood83 5,079]

JHS is a NBA talent and I would suspect he's leaving. But it is interesting that seems to be recency bias from torching Purdue who is not that big or athletic at guard, while the NBA competition will be both of those things. 

I expect JHS to do what is best for himself, but I am an IU fan first and foremost, so hope he returns. There is some nice buzz created by having a one & done, of course, but that doesn't always translate to anything tangible. 

 

[IU - Kaulie 2,101]

All morning walking through campus in the rain I have been singing ‘Walk In Yo Trap, Take Over Yo Trap’.

[Stuhoo 90,221]

6 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

All morning walking through campus in the rain I have been singing ‘Walk In Yo Trap, Take Over Yo Trap’.

 

[IU - Kaulie 2,101]

8 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

All morning walking through campus in the rain I have been singing ‘Walk In Yo Trap, Take Over Yo Trap’.

My roommates who are fans but not as big as me were a little concerned when I was singing it on my way out of the door.

[Stuhoo 90,221]

4 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

My roommates who are fans but not as big as me were a little concerned when I was singing it on my way out of the door.

That's a pretty harsh lyric sheet, but dang it sounds good.

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5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

That's a pretty harsh lyric sheet, but dang it sounds good.

B1G physicality doesn't call for radio edits.

[Golfman25 6,832]

4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

You go as soon as you'll be getting a large, guaranteed NBA contract. Which is where JHS is.

Him being a one and done is very, very good for IU IMO. Liam McNeeley will take note. Liam is 6'6", skilled, not physically dominant, and playing the point very effectively for Montverde.  In other words, while every player is different, it's incredibly easy for him to see the direct comp between him and JHS. And I would hope that JHS is reporting back to Montverde that he made an excellent decision in choosing IUBB.

This is great stuff. We get a shot at a national championship because JHS is one of our key guys, the talented culture guys like Trey Galloway carry the program torch from year to year, and other top 25 players see that we are a path to being an NBA first round pick.

Perfect.

Define "large guaranteed contact."  Top 15  at $3 mil?  With only 2 years guaranteed.  I know, big money to you and me, but not really by NBA star standards.  Predicting the future -- It's a tough decision.  

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

No idea the accuracy of this site but here is the 2022 contract salaries.

The 15th pick had an $18 million contract. That's... solid money

https://boardroom.tv/nba-rookie-contracts-salary-scale-2022-23/