(2022) PF Malik Reneau to INDIANA

[J34]

[CSP]

10 hours ago, J34 said:

Thanks for posting. I love they highlight their work in the weightroom. Tremendous job by MR. Those are serious gains.  

[HoosierHoopster]

13 hours ago, J34 said:

Paint him green, and he's the Hulk

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Man I really hate these comparison pictures with the different lighting, flexing vs not, etc. It's insulting to the fans' intelligence.

That said, the vert and upper body gains are impressive if true and not sandbagged like the pictures.

[GloryDays]

38 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Man I really hate these comparison pictures with the different lighting, flexing vs not, etc. It's insulting to the fans' intelligence.

That said, the vert and upper body gains are impressive if true and not sandbagged like the pictures.

I agree about the the hyped up photos but even with the tricks and flexing there's definitely muscle gain.

[go iu bb]

48 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Man I really hate these comparison pictures with the different lighting, flexing vs not, etc. It's insulting to the fans' intelligence.

That said, the vert and upper body gains are impressive if true and not sandbagged like the pictures.

I totally agree about the pictures. I do appreciate that this one actually included measurables unlike most of the before/after photos. 

[HinnyHoosier]

They can do the pictures, it's fine. People know what's up. The real PR is that the strength program makes a difference and cares as much to prove it. If I was doing before and after pictures you bet your sweet butts I'm asking for the lighting, etc. Why do bodybuilders literally paint on their tan and stand under every light over the stage? Athletes see that and imagine their own pictures. If they happen to associate that with Marshall and IU? Task accomplished. 

[realTomCrean]

I don't like the mix-up of pictures to illustrate gains as much as anyone else here, but it's useful for recruiting. I do believe that the updated strength tests that came out a few weeks ago prove that there is substance behind the pictures. It shows the MR's body fat % is down 3.5%, does anyone here care to guess what the true bf % is? My opinion is under 5.7% based on the picture. 

[ElectricBoogaloo]

I guess it works for some people?

The dishonest picture comparison casts on doubt on the honesty of the measurables, imo. If all of those are true he better not get bullied in the post at all this year.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

22 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

I don't like the mix-up of pictures to illustrate gains as much as anyone else here, but it's useful for recruiting. I do believe that the updated strength tests that came out a few weeks ago prove that there is substance behind the pictures. It shows the MR's body fat % is down 3.5%, does anyone here care to guess what the true bf % is? My opinion is under 5.7% based on the picture. 

This is extremely specific hahaha.

[CSP]

I don't really see the big deal with the pictures at all. They aren't asking anyone to gawk at MR, they are simply showing the improvement. But again, the pictures are irrevelant... 

4.5 inches on your vert

14 bench reps... all in a year is a stupid improvement. 

[CSP]

53 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

I don't like the mix-up of pictures to illustrate gains as much as anyone else here, but it's useful for recruiting. I do believe that the updated strength tests that came out a few weeks ago prove that there is substance behind the pictures. It shows the MR's body fat % is down 3.5%, does anyone here care to guess what the true bf % is? My opinion is under 5.7% based on the picture. 

I would guess quite a bit above that. By quite a bit, 8% even, would be "quite a bit". 

[CSP]

33 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I guess it works for some people?

The dishonest picture comparison casts on doubt on the honesty of the measurables, imo. If all of those are true he better not get bullied in the post at all this year.

There isn't any dishonesty, but now Malik will be in condition to play 25-28 mins a night... he didn't have that ability last season, even if he had "earned" that, it wasn't in his capability, imo. I guess I don't remember him ever getting "bullied", scored on sure.. but not really just mowed over. 

[JSHoosier]

1 hour ago, realTomCrean said:

I don't like the mix-up of pictures to illustrate gains as much as anyone else here, but it's useful for recruiting. I do believe that the updated strength tests that came out a few weeks ago prove that there is substance behind the pictures. It shows the MR's body fat % is down 3.5%, does anyone here care to guess what the true bf % is? My opinion is under 5.7% based on the picture. 

On the bolded, I would be absolutely floored if it was that low.  A bodybuilder competing for the Olympia might be higher than that while on stage, and they're typically under 10% on stage.

EDIT: To add, Ronnie Coleman, an 8x Olympia winner, once claimed 3% and that would be extraordinary.

[realTomCrean]

34 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I would guess quite a bit above that. By quite a bit, 8% even, would be "quite a bit". 

I'm not even remotely close to a professional S&C, nutritionist, eg. Was just a guess. Are you saying you believe he is 8%?

[realTomCrean]

25 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

On the bolded, I would be absolutely floored if it was that low.  A bodybuilder competing for the Olympia might be higher than that while on stage, and they're typically under 10% on stage.

EDIT: To add, Ronnie Coleman, an 8x Olympia winner, once claimed 3% and that would be extraordinary.

I believe what you're saying. While I was in the Army I was around 11-12.5% and really thought I could've been leaner. Oh well, either way MR looks much more fit. How much of the early semester focuses on S&C once practice starts? Enough for marginal gains? Anyone with S&C insights at IU, please feel free to share - very interested in learning. 

[JSHoosier]

6 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

I believe what you're saying. While I was in the Army I was around 11-12.5% and really thought I could've been leaner. Oh well, either way MR looks much more fit. How much of the early semester focuses on S&C once practice starts? Enough for marginal gains? Anyone with S&C insights at IU, please feel free to share - very interested in learning. 

He definitely looks in better shape, even accounting for lighting etc. Looks impressive.

[CSP]

45 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

I'm not even remotely close to a professional S&C, nutritionist, eg. Was just a guess. Are you saying you believe he is 8%?

I'm not either. But yes, and that was a guess. 

If he shed.. 3.5%, that would have put him at over 11% last season, in your original guess he would have been right at 9% last season, and I don't think that is where MR was. 

[CSP]

44 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

I believe what you're saying. While I was in the Army I was around 11-12.5% and really thought I could've been leaner. Oh well, either way MR looks much more fit. How much of the early semester focuses on S&C once practice starts? Enough for marginal gains? Anyone with S&C insights at IU, please feel free to share - very interested in learning. 

From now until the season, they will be focusing/practicing more on "in-game shape". Basketball is a different animal in terms of conditioning compared to the others sports (I have spoken to many soccer guys, and they even admit there are aspects of basketball that are crazy difficult to condition for/more difficult than even soccer).... 

Marginal gains from now until mid-Oct, but they will still "lift" 3-4 times a week during the season. Guys like Gunn, and the FR will "gain" during the season, as I'm sure MR did last year. 

[realTomCrean]

On 8/15/2023 at 10:11 AM, btownqb said:

From now until the season, they will be focusing/practicing more on "in-game shape". Basketball is a different animal in terms of conditioning compared to the others sports (I have spoken to many soccer guys, and they even admit there are aspects of basketball that are crazy difficult to condition for/more difficult than even soccer).... 

Marginal gains from now until mid-Oct, but they will still "lift" 3-4 times a week during the season. Guys like Gunn, and the FR will "gain" during the season, as I'm sure MR did last year. 

Thank you for the substantive response. I really enjoy the clips from off-season, but a vlog or overview of summer program in depth would be AMAZING content.