GG's - Geronimo, Galloway - More Minutes Please

[HoosierHoopster 7,248]

The case for more Geronimo and Galloway (gamer talk, GG's), and maybe 1 starting (not expected but why not?) continues to grow.

 Following production stats so far in Conf play (8 games), they line up with the 'eye' test, and need for more of both

Conference 100 possessions

Defensive rating (DRtg) - Geronimo #1 (on season he's #2 behind TJD), Galloway #6

Total Boards  - Geronimo #1

Blocks - Geronimo #2

Steals - Galloway #2 (Rob #1)

Offensive rating (ORtg) - Geronimo #2, Trey #5

Points - Galloway #2, Geronimo #5

FT Attempts - Geronimo #3, Galloway #4 (G needs to continue work on FTs, in Conf at 62%, but improving - 49% on year), Trey at 69%

2PT% - Geronimo #1, Galloway #2

FG% - Geronimo #2, Galloway #3

Assists - Galloway #2 (X #1, Rob #3 -- Galloway's floor vision...)

Conference Per 40 Min

Total Boards - Geronimo #1

Blocks - Geronimo #2

Steals - Galloway #3 (but Leal at #2 on signif less min)

Points - Galloway #2, Geronimo #5

FT Attempts - Geronimo #3, Galloway #4

2PT% - Geronimo #1, Galloway #2

FG% - Geronimo #2, Galloway #3

Assists: Galloway #2

Conference Totals vs. Minutes Per Game

Total Boards: Geronimo #4 (MP #8)

Blocks: Geronimo #2 (MP #8))

Steals: Galloway #5/6 (MP #7)

Points: Galloway #6 (MP #7) Geronimo #8 (MP #8) (compare - Kopp #7, MP #5)

FT Attempts - Galloway #4 (MP #7), Geronimo #5 (MP #8)

Assists - Galloway #3

Starting isn't as important to me as finishing, but as a team we do tend to start both halves slow.

How about Conference PER (player efficiency rating)

Geronimo #2, Galloway #4 (TJD #1, Race #3)

Same for WS/40 (win shares per 40 min) - Geronimo #2, Galloway #4

We need outside shooting to spread the floor, but both Geronimo and Galloway are at 33% from deep in Conf play (both 2 of 6 still small sample size -  though Geronimo's 5/15 on season is also 33% - good for #5 on team)

I'm on cup of coffee #1 but I think these are all accurate -- https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/indiana/2022.html

 

 

 

[MikeRoberts 7,206]

3 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

The case for more Geronimo and Galloway (gamer talk, GG's), and maybe 1 starting (not expected but why not?) continues to grow.

 Following production stats so far in Conf play (8 games), they line up with the 'eye' test, and need for more of both

Conference 100 possessions

Defensive rating (DRtg) - Geronimo #1 (on season he's #2 behind TJD), Galloway #6

Total Boards  - Geronimo #1

Blocks - Geronimo #2

Steals - Galloway #2 (Rob #1)

Offensive rating (ORtg) - Geronimo #2, Trey #5

Points - Galloway #2, Geronimo #5

FT Attempts - Geronimo #3, Galloway #4 (G needs to continue work on FTs, in Conf at 62%, but improving - 49% on year), Trey at 69%

2PT% - Geronimo #1, Galloway #2

FG% - Geronimo #2, Galloway #3

Assists - Galloway #2 (X #1, Rob #3 -- Galloway's floor vision...)

Conference Per 40 Min

Total Boards - Geronimo #1

Blocks - Geronimo #2

Steals - Galloway #3 (but Leal at #2 on signif less min)

Points - Galloway #2, Geronimo #5

FT Attempts - Geronimo #3, Galloway #4

2PT% - Geronimo #1, Galloway #2

FG% - Geronimo #2, Galloway #3

Assists: Galloway #2

Conference Totals vs. Minutes Per Game

Total Boards: Geronimo #4 (MP #8)

Blocks: Geronimo #2 (MP #8))

Steals: Galloway #5/6 (MP #7)

Points: Galloway #6 (MP #7) Geronimo #8 (MP #8) (compare - Kopp #7, MP #5)

FT Attempts - Galloway #4 (MP #7), Geronimo #5 (MP #8)

Assists - Galloway #3

Starting isn't as important to me as finishing, but as a team we do tend to start both halves slow.

How about Conference PER (player efficiency rating)

Geronimo #2, Galloway #4 (TJD #1, Race #3)

Same for WS/40 (win shares per 40 min) - Geronimo #2, Galloway #4

We need outside shooting to spread the floor, but both Geronimo and Galloway are at 33% from deep in Conf play (both 2 of 6 still small sample size -  though Geronimo's 5/15 on season is also 33% - good for #5 on team)

I'm on cup of coffee #1 but I think these are all accurate -- https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/indiana/2022.html

 

 

 

I’ve been calling for more time from them too. They have both been playing well and will be key to our success this year and the next few seasons

[RaceToTheTop 26,386]

I would start Galloway.  JG should be the guy coming in for Thompson and TJD.  I understand playing Durr a lot against Purdue because of the seven footers, but JG shouldn't be losing minutes to Durr.

[Stuhoo 81,897]

I think Parker, if he continues to start, is better suited to guard threes, not twos. So I’d start Gallo too. 

We get better defense, better ball handling/ driving, and much better defense.

[coonhounds 9,315]

I think Parker, if he continues to start, is better suited to guard threes, not twos. So I’d start Gallo too. 
We get better defense, better ball handling/ driving, and much better defense.

Also of note. Galloway and phin coming in down double digits can cause players to play differently. Nobody can say the start or results would be the same if they started. They may have even been worse but I would like to find out. I can't understand though when a guy like Galloway has been playing better than one or more starters why not reward them. Why didn't Rob earn a start by playing great last game. Those are questions I wonder about but ultimately Woodson gets paid to make the decisions not us but it is certainly ok to discuss on here

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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,720]

For those of us wondering if Galloway has a 3 point shot this year? He still doesn’t. I’m sure he’s worked on it, but his form is FUBAR.

However, despite this, his energy and defense makes him a valuable piece that needs to play, but I’m not sure that shot ever gets fixed.


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[Alford Bailey 12,416]

Both of these guys are as flawed as anyone one else on the roster. After TJD and X ( ok maybe Race too) it’s pick your poison with the rest of these guys.

[MikeRoberts 7,206]

2 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

Both of these guys are as flawed as anyone one else on the roster. After TJD and X ( ok maybe Race too) it’s pick your poison with the rest of these guys.

Not really. Kopp and Parker are only serviceable if they are getting open looks regularly and actually volume shooting.

they are rarely running plays to get them open and therefore are rarely open and rarely shoot and rarely useful.

In today’s game, Parker stood around for 32 minutes and then finally decided to move and run off some screens and guess what… he was wide open and canned a few threes. Why did it take 32 minutes for him to move and create separation? He does that or sits, that needs to happen ASAP.

 

[JSHoosier 20,493]

5 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

For those of us wondering if Galloway has a 3 point shot this year? He still doesn’t. I’m sure he’s worked on it, but his form is FUBAR.

However, despite this, his energy and defense makes him a valuable piece that needs to play, but I’m not sure that shot ever gets fixed.


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Who would've thought a coach's son could have a shot so broken.

[Alford Bailey 12,416]

8 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

Not really. Kopp and Parker are only serviceable if they are getting open looks regularly and actually volume shooting.

they are rarely running plays to get them open and therefore are rarely open and rarely shoot and rarely useful.

In today’s game, Parker stood around for 32 minutes and then finally decided to move and run off some screens and guess what… he was wide open and canned a few threes. Why did it take 32 minutes for him to move and create separation? He does that or sits, that needs to happen ASAP.

 

Yea really. You give up any chance at keeping a defense honest if  you sit Parker and Kopp. So you trade offense for defense and hustle. Pick your poison.

[Alford Bailey 12,416]

12 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

For those of us wondering if Galloway has a 3 point shot this year? He still doesn’t. I’m sure he’s worked on it, but his form is FUBAR.

However, despite this, his energy and defense makes him a valuable piece that needs to play, but I’m not sure that shot ever gets fixed.


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Teams will gladly let him shoot from three. It’s pure luck if it ever goes in.

[HoosierHoopster 7,248]

1 hour ago, Alford Bailey said:

Yea really. You give up any chance at keeping a defense honest if  you sit Parker and Kopp. So you trade offense for defense and hustle. Pick your poison.

This is where the argument really is, there are fair points on both sides and imo it's why both Parker and Kopp continue to start -- creating space by, at least, the threat of their outside shooting.

However, we are still, today, shooting by volume from deep at the freaking bottom of the B1G. That cuts directly against the idea that their presence keeps defenses honest -- defenses come into our games having IU well scouted, and that includes that we almost invariably try to run our O through TJD up front and take a limited number of 3's.

I'm one who thinks we lose the game to PU but for TJD being on the bench -- it was guard play, Rob along with X, together with Galloway, Geronimo, Durr and Race, that overcame our now typical slow start and PU's having its way offensively because of mediocre D, that got us that W. And I love TJD, he's hands down our best player, but we can't keep running our O through him and having a porous backcourt and win, I think there's now enough Conference games behind us to see that.

Imo, Kopp and Parker -- together -- are clearly not strong defensively, and they're not shooting near enough to overcome that. If we were raining 3's or at least shooting by numbers in the middle of the conference then I think that could work a lot better, but we're not.

And as the above numbers reflect, both Geronimo and Galloway are up there defensively, and offensively, in the top group. I'd start Galloway as well because of how he is assisting on baskets, he doesn't have the handle or experience to run point, but he sees the floor and moves the ball timely to the right spots and players, and his D is miles better than Parker or Kopp.

[MikeRoberts 7,206]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

This is where the argument really is, there are fair points on both sides and imo it's why both Parker and Kopp continue to start -- creating space by, at least, the threat of their outside shooting.

However, we are still, today, shooting by volume from deep at the freaking bottom of the B1G. That cuts directly against the idea that their presence keeps defenses honest -- defenses come into our games having IU well scouted, and that includes that we almost invariably try to run our O through TJD up front and take a limited number of 3's.

I'm one who thinks we lose the game to PU but for TJD being on the bench -- it was guard play, Rob along with X, together with Galloway, Geronimo, Durr and Race, that overcame our now typical slow start and PU's having its way offensively because of mediocre D, that got us that W. And I love TJD, he's hands down our best player, but we can't keep running our O through him and having a porous backcourt and win, I think there's now enough Conference games behind us to see that.

Imo, Kopp and Parker -- together -- are clearly not strong defensively, and they're not shooting near enough to overcome that. If we were raining 3's or at least shooting by numbers in the middle of the conference then I think that could work a lot better, but we're not.

And as the above numbers reflect, both Geronimo and Galloway are up there defensively, and offensively, in the top group. I'd start Galloway as well because of how he is assisting on baskets, he doesn't have the handle or experience to run point, but he sees the floor and moves the ball timely to the right spots and players, and his D is miles better than Parker or Kopp.

I agree. Geronimo and Galloway are better positioned to help us all around than Stewart and Kopp are, or I should say, based on how they are being used.

they are both liabilities on defense and we don’t run enough offense through them to make their shooting matter. Look at how few shots they take, it’s not worth it. Stewart stood around for 32 minutes yesterday and only at the end started working to get open. If he played the whole game like he did the final 8, he would be worth keeping out there but that isn’t who he is

[Golfman25 5,774]

Kopp or Parker on the move can make up for the lack of three point threat by Galloway.  Unfortunately they play like they have cement shoes - they watch more than they move.  Even if they slide a bit so TJD has a better passing angle.  It just doesn’t happen.  

[Honkyman 1,670]

There are no set plays for Miller Kopp or Parker Stewart. The ball goes into TJD. If he gets doubled up then the ball is suppose to go back out to the open man. But because they aren't moving, if they are open, they usually aren't open long enough to get a shot off. Michigan on Sunday showed how that works when the defense doesn't get back quickly enough.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

[Golfman25 5,774]

1 hour ago, Honkyman said:

There are no set plays for Miller Kopp or Parker Stewart. The ball goes into TJD. If he gets doubled up then the ball is suppose to go back out to the open man. But because they aren't moving, if they are open, they usually aren't open long enough to get a shot off. Michigan on Sunday showed how that works when the defense doesn't get back quickly enough.

The problem I have seen is say parker gets in the TJD from about the free throw line extended.  TJD back down, does some dipsy do's and draws the double team.  But Parker just stands there at the same spot he passed from.  TJD no longer can get the ball to Parker.  All Parker needs to do is slide towards the corner to open up the passing lane.  He does not.  And the offense stagnates.  

[reconmkd 4,469]

Just listened to part of the radio show and woody said he hasn’t considered shaking up the starting lineup. Says it doesn’t matter who starts but who finishes and said if he can’t get any response from the starters he may have to think about making a change! SMH

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,720]

Just listened to part of the radio show and woody said he hasn’t considered shaking up the starting lineup. Says it doesn’t matter who starts but who finishes and said if he can’t get any response from the starters he may have to think about making a change! SMH

Translation “It’s fun to play from behind every game. More times than not we come back. We like it so much, we do it again in the second half so we can give up any lead we were lucky enough to acquire during the last 10 minutes of the first half”.


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[HoosierAloha 30,077]

22 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Translation “It’s fun to play from behind every game. More times than not we come back. We like it so much, we do it again in the second half so we can give up any lead we were lucky enough to acquire during the last 10 minutes of the first half”.


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It would be interesting to see the schedule played with a starting lineup of X - P Stew - Gallo - Race - Trayce to see the stats for the first 8 minutes of each half for comparison. Anyone would do it if it were easy!