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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,298]

1 minute ago, iu eyedoc said:

Well let's see

Tom Izzo

Chris Holtzman

Juwan Howard

Izzo, too long ago.  Not the same environment. 

Holtmann-3 years of success at Butler.  Moderate risk.  
 

Juwan Howard- is a good argument.  He’s got a special fame that has allowed amazing recruiting.  So far he has knocked it out of the park.  He’s unique.  Which up and coming coach can walk into Indiana and land the #1 recruiting class?  I’ll take that guy.  

 

[ronzo4IU 118]

7 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Why would Oats leave Alabama. He seems to have no problems recruiting talent to play there and he gets to build his own thing. At IU, he would have to rebuild a program and coach in the shadow of a HOF coach who still lives in town.

Closer to home? Maybe....fan base, icon status....bunch of stuff you won’t get there.

[IUc2016 7,121]

Literally eons ago, when players stayed for 4 years and the best players were Seniors. I don’t need to rethink this. 

Wait izzo only coached eons ago? I’m confused?


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[Hoosierfanyuh 2,193]

IUBB has media in a twitter fight but we arent relevant lmao

[iubb 2,558]

Just now, Hoosierfanyuh said:

IUBB has media in a twitter fight but we arent relevant lmao

they get them sweet sweet hate clicks which means $$$$$

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,298]

5 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

Wait izzo only coached eons ago? I’m confused?


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When he started and built his hall of fame resume.  Yes.  Once you have a hall of fame resume things get easier, and you’re not an up an comer.  He didn’t start in the 1 n done era.  
 

Juwan Howard is an amazing counter example to my point.   But, he’s cultural icon.  He’s a unicorn.  Our best similar option would be Cheaney but zero chance he recruits like Howard.  Zero.  Juwan Howard should be like Patrick Ewing but he’s not.  He’s got it going.  

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[iu eyedoc 1,959]

Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Izzo, too long ago.  Not the same environment. 

Holtmann-3 years of success at Butler.  Moderate risk.  
 

Juwan Howard- is a good argument.  He’s got a special fame that has allowed amazing recruiting.  So far he has knocked it out of the park.  He’s unique.  Which up and coming coach can walk into Indiana and land the #1 recruiting class?  I’ll take that guy.  

 

Izzo was hired as an up and comer and has won or shared 3 of the last 4 B1G titles. Not sure how he doesn't count. Too successful for too long?

 

Throw in Thad Matta and Matt Painter.

[cleeter 2,128]

 

Referring to the Goodman amount tweets I believe.



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[PB1230 502]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

When he started and built his hall of fame resume.  Yes.  Once you have a hall of fame resume things get easier, and your not an up an comer.  He didn’t start in the 1 n done era.  
 

Juwan Howard is an amazing counter example to my point.   Plus he’s cultural icon.  He’s a unicorn.  Our best similar option would be Cheaney but zero chance he recruits like Howard.  Zero.  Juwan Howard should be like Patrick Ewing but he’s not.  He’s got it going.  

How much Howard success can be attribute to Phil Martelli, especially since Howard’s recruiting impact hasn’t really come into play yet

[IUc2016 7,121]

When he started and built his hall of fame resume.  Yes.  Once you have a hall of fame resume things get easier, and you’re not an up an comer.  He didn’t start in the 1 n done era.  
 
Juwan Howard is an amazing counter example to my point.   But, he’s cultural icon.  He’s a unicorn.  Our best similar option would be Cheaney but zero chance he recruits like Howard.  Zero.  Juwan Howard should be like Patrick Ewing but he’s not.  He’s got it going.  

Okay your original question was when has an up and comer worked in the BIG. You were provided multiple examples showing it has literally worked multiple times. At the highest level.

It is okay to say you were wrong . Not move the goalposts


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1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

When he started and built his hall of fame resume.  Yes.  Once you have a hall of fame resume things get easier, and you’re not an up an comer.  He didn’t start in the 1 n done era.  
 

Juwan Howard is an amazing counter example to my point.   But, he’s cultural icon.  He’s a unicorn.  Our best similar option would be Cheaney but zero chance he recruits like Howard.  Zero.  Juwan Howard should be like Patrick Ewing but he’s not.  He’s got it going.  

I think I would prefer to be in a position to not only attract guys like Beard, Oats, Drew etc but to also land them. We will know a bit more who we are after this search. If those guys say no because they can win where they are then we likely have to find the right up and comer ourselves. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,298]

Just now, PB1230 said:

How much Howard success can be attribute to Phil Martelli, especially since Howard’s recruiting impact hasn’t really come into play yet

Good point.  2 huge transfer impacts though. No way they are in this position without them. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,298]

1 minute ago, IUc2016 said:

Okay your original question was when has an up and comer worked in the BIG. You were provided multiple examples showing it has literally worked multiple times. At the highest level.

It is okay to say you were wrong . Not move the goalposts


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Not moving goal posts. Picking coaches prior to the 1 n done era, changes the debate completely.  If you don’t see this point, it’s all irrelevant.  

[IUc2016 7,121]

Not moving goal posts. Picking coaches prior to the 1 n done era, changes the debate completely.  If you don’t see this point, it’s all irrelevant.  

Whatever. Continue to think you know more than everyone like normal it’s cool.

Not a good look, but cool


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[IU Scott 2,375]

3 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Izzo was hired as an up and comer and has won or shared 3 of the last 4 B1G titles. Not sure how he doesn't count. Too successful for too long?

 

Throw in Thad Matta and Matt Painter.

I guess maybe anything that happened before 2000 didn't happen

[Trish 11,548]

I WANT BRAD ******* STEVENS!!!

HE IS THE ONLY COACH WE SHOULD WANT. HIM OR NATE OATS.

BRAD STEVENS, THE KING OF THE MIDWEST!!!!

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,298]

Just now, IUc2016 said:

Whatever. Continue to think you know more than everyone like normal it’s cool.

Not a good look, but cool


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It’s not personal to me.  
 

Juwan Howard may be a good counter to my point.  If he continues his success he will counter my point, and I’d be wrong.  
 

[sirhoosierlot 2,736]

4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Not moving goal posts. Picking coaches prior to the 1 n done era, changes the debate completely.  If you don’t see this point, it’s all irrelevant.  

1 and done is ending in 2022 isnt it?

Edit: or at least in talks 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,298]

1 minute ago, sirhoosierlot said:

1 and done is ending in 2022 isnt it?

Edit: or at least in talks 

Probably, and that will help teams like Indiana that try to be cleaner, but the teams that adjust to that change the best will win.  The next best available players will be the players to get.  Who gets them?  Are they the new 1 n done?  Does it go back to a 3 year cycle?  Who knows.  

[FrenchConnection 196]

What I can say that I don’t want is a coach chosen to overperformance of a mid-major in this tournament. I think the smaller schools are benefiting from two huge factors:

• Small number of fans levels the playing field a lot. Big schools get an almost home court advantage in early round games is usual years
• Bad NBA draft class. We know this because UK and Duke sucked. When the draft class is bad, veteran well-coached teams can overcome the talent advantage.