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[LamarCheeks 17,920]

7 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

To add to this, I'll give you a best-case scenario from where I live now.

The University of Florida is really hard to get into and very well respected. It's currently the #30 national university in US News & World, and the #5 public university nationally, behind only UCLA, Michigan, UC Berkeley, and Virginia, with a 2020 incoming freshman SAT range from 1320-1460.

But it wasn't always so; before football coach Steve Spurrier made UF a 'destination school' the standards and admission competitiveness were much much much lower. However, while Steve Spurrier was a great coach with a notable personality, he was never bigger than the school. The program brought in tons of money and did a lot to help the school, but no one man was the face of the school.

You are so incorrect, sir!!! 

[Stuhoo 79,566]

16 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

You are so incorrect, sir!!! 

He was a highlight personality during their success, but Spurrier started that snowballing upward trend for the program. The program's first national championship with Danny Wuerfell was in 1996, way before Tebow. 

• 19 bowl games in 80 years before Spurrier took over in 1991.
• 27 bowl games in 29 years since he started the upward trend. Spurrier went 12 for 12.

 

[TheWatShot 13,622]

One thing I want to see with our next coach, whenever the move is made: please don't give him a 7-8 year contract. That essentially boxes us in and prevents us from doing anything even if it's obvious after a couple years that the coach doesn't have it (which was the case here). 

 

I know we'd never do this, but I'd want our administration to tell the new coach he'd have to rely on his own confidence of success instead of a long contract. This won't scare away anyone worth a crap because they'll recruit well enough to win and get extensions later after they've earned them. 

[Stuhoo 79,566]

8 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

One thing I want to see with our next coach, whenever the move is made: please don't give him a 7-8 year contract. That essentially boxes us in and prevents us from doing anything even if it's obvious after a couple years that the coach doesn't have it (which was the case here). 

 

I know we'd never do this, but I'd want our administration to tell the new coach he'd have to rely on his own confidence of success instead of a long contract. This won't scare away anyone worth a crap because they'll recruit well enough to win and get extensions later after they've earned them. 

Very much disagree. While it won't "scare them," it is a contract guarantee that any in-demand coach can get, and they'd be downright crazy not to insist on a long contract with a big buyout.

"Hey Chris Beard, IU Basketball calling. We know that the IU and UK jobs just opened and you're considering both. UK is offering $7.5 million guaranteed for eight years, and IU $8 million for four years. Which do you prefer? What?!?  ... Don't you have confidence in your abilities?"

"Click."

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,821]

I despise the long term contracts coaches are given, but it's the way of high level coaching today like it or not.

[JSHoosier 19,811]

4 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I despise the long term contracts coaches are given, but it's the way of high level coaching today like it or not.

For me it'd depend on how their track record.  If they haven't proven much, or anything, it'd better incentives though I'd personally stay away completely.

[TheWatShot 13,622]

15 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I despise the long term contracts coaches are given, but it's the way of high level coaching today like it or not.

Weak coaches are most often the ones demanding them because it makes it harder to fire them. 

[cthomas 6,303]

College basketball coaching contracts are like most other professions where there are industry standards and, if you want to compete for top talent, you follow them. Like it or not, and I don't, you better be prepared to play that game.

[IUc2016 7,121]

Weak coaches are most often the ones demanding them because it makes it harder to fire them. 

Wait, you know this for certain? I didn’t realize you were on the “inside” during contract negotiations with coaches.

You posing this as fact is quite funny.


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[TheWatShot 13,622]

4 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

Wait, you know this for certain? I didn’t realize you were on the “inside” during contract negotiations with coaches.

You posing this as fact is quite funny.


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We've seen it here firsthand! Crean got 8 years when he was hired in 2008. A few months later, he talked Greenspan into adding 2 more years before he had even coached his first game. Greenspan gave it to him, of course. We have no idea how lucky we are that Cody Zeller came here. Imagine Crean's first 3 seasons stretching out to 5 or 6. That's what would have happened because of that obscene contract we gave him. 

[Stuhoo 79,566]

19 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

We've seen it here firsthand! Crean got 8 years when he was hired in 2008. A few months later, he talked Greenspan into adding 2 more years before he had even coached his first game. Greenspan gave it to him, of course. We have no idea how lucky we are that Cody Zeller came here. Imagine Crean's first 3 seasons stretching out to 5 or 6. That's what would have happened because of that obscene contract we gave him. 

That is pretty anecdotal 

[IUc2016 7,121]

That is pretty anecdotal 

It’s really not. He said weaker coaches demand longer contracts, while stronger coaches do no. His “anecdote” does not back that up at all. Sorry.

Chris holtmann - 8 year contract.
Brad Underwood - 6 year contract.
Calipari Started out with an 8 year contract. Now has a LIFETIME contract .

Those aren’t “weak coaches”




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[Stuhoo 79,566]

40 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

It’s really not. He said weaker coaches demand longer contracts, while stronger coaches do no. His “anecdote” does not back that up at all. Sorry.

Chris holtmann - 8 year contract.
Brad Underwood - 6 year contract.
Calipari Started out with an 8 year contract. Now has a LIFETIME contract .

Those aren’t “weak coaches”




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So it’s just plain wrong?

Agreed.

[NashvilleHoosier 3,667]

2 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

One thing I want to see with our next coach, whenever the move is made: please don't give him a 7-8 year contract. That essentially boxes us in and prevents us from doing anything even if it's obvious after a couple years that the coach doesn't have it (which was the case here). 

 

I know we'd never do this, but I'd want our administration to tell the new coach he'd have to rely on his own confidence of success instead of a long contract. This won't scare away anyone worth a crap because they'll recruit well enough to win and get extensions later after they've earned them. 

So you want us to go out and put a completely not competitive at all offer out there and expect a top tier coach who could get a muuuuuuuch better offer somewhere else to even consider it let alone take it? You don’t have to like the long contracts. But any coach who walks away laughing in our face at that offer is not weak. They are smart. 

[Chris007 43,550]

3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Very much disagree. While it won't "scare them," it is a contract guarantee that any in-demand coach can get, and they'd be downright crazy not to insist on a long contract with a big buyout.

"Hey Chris Beard, IU Basketball calling. We know that the IU and UK jobs just opened and you're considering both. UK is offering $7.5 million guaranteed for eight years, and IU $8 million for four years. Which do you prefer? What?!?  ... Don't you have confidence in your abilities?"

"Click."

This is the exact reason LaVall Jordan said last year he wouldn’t take a job like this without a long contract because 2.5 years in if the fans or boosters didn’t like you they would want you fired.

[coonhounds 8,787]

You won't know if a hire is a "home run hire" until you see the results.

• In my opinion, Tom Allen has been without question a "home run hire." Did anyone have any idea at the time of his hire whether he would be a success? Nope--people were hopeful but had to wait and see.
• The last IUBB "home run hire" was Bobby Knight in 1971. Coach Knight was a 31 year old coming off of an 11-13 season at Army. He had four NIT appearances at Army in six seasons and a 102-50 record at that small school. He had ZERO NCAA appearances.
• While these are the two IU home run hires and admittedly anecdotal, the dynamic is real: Coach K, Brad Stevens, Jay Wright, Donovan at UF, Dean Smith,  Mark Few, Tom Izzo, and on and on. All examples of home run hires without a home run resume when they landed at their iconic location.

Sooooo, the trick is identifying the next and future home run hire.
 

Yea and that guy was archie miller. I thought this would be the 30 plus year coach and 4 ncaa ships . Unless we start winning soon I look like

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[coonhounds 8,787]

I think I actually bought an "It's Miller's Time" T-shirt or something right after he was hired. I also bought a Crean & Crimson shirt when the previous administration took over. Needless to say, if at some point we move on from Archie -- I will not be buying a shirt celebrating the new coach ... 

I still wear my Sampson shirt to work lol

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[Uspshoosier 44,981]

Sometimes it takes luck to get your guy.  Holtmann turned down the Ohio St job at first.    They then offer McDermott from Creighton who turns them down.   Ohio st goes back to Holtmann and offer more money and he accepts 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,607]

I really hate that Ohio State didn't get the memo about it taking 5+ years to build a program. 

[LamarCheeks 17,920]

4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

He was a highlight personality during their success, but Spurrier started that snowballing upward trend for the program. The program's first national championship with Danny Wuerfell was in 1996, way before Tebow. 

• 19 bowl games in 80 years before Spurrier took over in 1991.
• 27 bowl games in 29 years since he started the upward trend. Spurrier went 12 for 12.

 

BTW, I was joking about Tebow.