NCAA MBB Transfer Portal

[Scotty R 3,672]

4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I would say we are both being consistent on how we view losing out on commits because while you might not say we lost out on Knecht, I would.  Just a difference of definitions.  It seems that the staff really did/does want Knecht.  If we didn't, we wasted a lot of time and resources recruiting him.  IMO, schools lose out on over 90% of the players they recruit.  The difference between the Ware/Arkansas and Knecht/Indiana situation is Arkansas can afford misses.  IU seems to be focused on very specific players to the point where missing can be brutal, Arkansas casts a wide net (about two weeks ago an Arkansas website had said there were 83 confirmed players that Arkansas had contacted in the portal).  But the 5% of the players that Musselman recruits that he gets are very good which is why he wins the portal game.

To me we didn't lose our because he didn't even come for a campus visit or a home visit. Just reaching out and talking with a player isn't that in depth of the recruiting process. 

[RaceToTheTop 31,063]

1 minute ago, Scotty R said:

To me we didn't lose our because he didn't even come for a campus visit or a home visit. Just reaching out and talking with a player isn't that in depth of the recruiting process. 

To my line of thinking, not getting a player to campus when you really want him is a bigger loss than being able to get him to campus and then committing elsewhere.  If not getting visits from guys you really target becomes a trend, it doesn't bode well.  C'est la vie.  Different definitions for different people.

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2 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

To my line of thinking, not getting a player to campus when you really want him is a bigger loss than being able to get him to campus and then committing elsewhere.  If not getting visits from guys you really target becomes a trend, it doesn't bode well.  C'est la vie.  Different definitions for different people.

We can't make Knecht be interested. 

[RaceToTheTop 31,063]

Just now, btownqb said:

We can't make Knecht be interested. 

Agree.  But if pitching your program doesn't spark interest I find that's a bigger fail than at least getting a player interested enough to at least visit.  But in the end, recruiting almost always ends in failure.

To my knowledge, IU has only gotten three players on official visits from the portal.

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3 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Agree.  But if pitching your program doesn't spark interest I find that's a bigger fail than at least getting a player interested enough to at least visit.  But in the end, recruiting almost always ends in failure.

To my knowledge, IU has only gotten three players on official visits from the portal.

Yeah, but they've gotten 2 of em to commit/sign...

Indiana won't be as attractive to some kids like it is to others. Our history won't mean as much, etc. I have a feeling the staff may be using a different approach...such as let's keep it quiet for now. Guarantee they're working several hours a day behind the scenes.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

1 hour ago, IGotMeAWoody said:

Really interesting conversation between Miller Kopp and Collin Hartman about the transfer portal. Live on Miller's YT channel right now.

Miller Kopp lost me when he said he would continue basketball wherever, the NBA.. I wish him the best of luck!

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7 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Agree.  But if pitching your program doesn't spark interest I find that's a bigger fail than at least getting a player interested enough to at least visit.  But in the end, recruiting almost always ends in failure.

To my knowledge, IU has only gotten three players on official visits from the portal.

There really isn't a reason to keep track of losses, then. 

[RaceToTheTop 31,063]

2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

There really isn't a reason to keep track of losses, then. 

I don’t disagree.  Ultimately recruiting wins are all that matters. 

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Gonzaga making them money moves.  Find target, get target.  The Hysterics know the cash flow and they said Zags are up there near Kentucky and Duke.

 

Sidenote- I'll never understand the excuses and the length at which some fans try to normalize Indiana University as a basketball destination.  WE ARE AS ELITE AS WE WANT TO BE.  The history is there.  The FANBASE is there.  The True NIL is there.  At some point it might get realized.  Someone needs to figure it out if we want to swim with the sharks.  

I think I'm tracking on what you're saying here. I believe the path for the men's program to return to elite status is to get solid to good players with the right attitude and willingness to put in the work to win as a team. I don't think IU or Bloomington can attract the type of elite players that other programs can in its current construct. I highly doubt we'd be willing to do what it takes to be a basketball destination in today's environment.

[Stuhoo 89,443]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

I'd be good with CJ Frederick as a "back of the rotation if he can stay healthy" guy.

 

[RaceToTheTop 31,063]

Of note:  Oregon just received a commitment from Kario Oquendo from Georgia, 6'4" shooting guard.  Averaged 14 points over his freshman and sophomore years.

I'm not sure Knecht to Oregon is as done as people might think....not indicating anything IU wise, but my gut says he might have wanted to commit to Tennessee and then Ledlum committed, complicating things a bit.

[RaceToTheTop 31,063]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

That's a solid early list.  The fact is he shot the ball incredibly well for two years at Iowa.  He has warts, but he can shoot the ball regardless of what happened this past season.

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11 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

That's a solid early list.  The fact is he shot the ball incredibly well for two years at Iowa.  He has warts, but he can shoot the ball regardless of what happened this past season.

I'm more than fine with a good player, potentially outstanding shooter, and excellent locker room influence that has constantly been injured, as long as:

1. The prior injuries, once healed, won't reduce future ability to perform. 
2. We have enough open scholarships to use one on a guy with a long injury history.

CJ Fredrick checks both of those boxes.

[Stuhoo 89,443]

2 hours ago, IGotMeAWoody said:

Really interesting conversation between Miller Kopp and Collin Hartman about the transfer portal. Live on Miller's YT channel right now. 

 

 

For those that think we are laying low, this video was recorded this morning, and Miller states he has been on the phone in the past couple of days with players that want the inside scoop on Woody and IU. Miler said he tells them the truth, and that Woody is no BS and it's a great coach and program to play for.

Edit: Worth staying with the interview to see Miller interview Phil Blidi, the D Tackle we just picked up from Texas Tech. Married with a two year old, and a super-cool young man.

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Just now, Ngw7183 said:

Ok, conspiracy theory time.

Maybe the staff or specifically Woody is tired of the Rabjohns of the world and laid down the law a little. Maybe all the craziness a few weeks ago when everyone went crazy, then X having to tell twitter people to back off, got him upset.
 

Maybe he said stop with this leaking stuff on who we are taking to or we feel good about landing. It doesn’t help us.  Not like they even announced any visits either and all the sudden we have Ware on campus. 
 

maybe, maybe not. 

That's not a conspiracy theory. That's common sense.

[Chris007 62,496]

15 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Ok, conspiracy theory time.

Maybe the staff or specifically Woody is tired of the Rabjohns of the world and laid down the law a little. Maybe all the craziness a few weeks ago when everyone went crazy, then X having to tell twitter people to back off, got him upset.
 

Maybe he said stop with this leaking stuff on who we are taking to or we feel good about landing. It doesn’t help us.  Not like they even announced any visits either and all the sudden we have Ware on campus. 
 

maybe, maybe not. 

I personally don't think Rabby speaks to Woodson on the regular. I think most of his info comes from Kenya or Ya.

He has said the Ware family specifically asked for silence till their visit was over.

But you could be right, Crean had JD Campbell tell media members to be quiet or he would take away their press creditionals

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14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I personally don't think Rabby speaks to Woodson on the regular. I think most of his info comes from Kenya or Ya.

He has said the Ware family specifically asked for silence till their visit was over.

But you could be right, Crean had JD Campbell tell media members to be quiet or he would take away their press creditionals

Crean was nuts lol. Being in JD's PR class was...interesting.

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2 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

Will you address this? I have responded to this multiple times and you ignore it. Do you beijbe we have the facilities to compete. All area thsd effect a college athlete? 

We are NOT elite. We don’t have the facilities and resources to be so. This is reality. NIL, fans etc is not enough. History doesn’t matter to these kids. They want NBA, to win, have nice stuff. Simple. By the way, most all of them are sports fans themselves. Many grew up playing football. They love when schools have a great football team to cheer for too. 

can this be overcome… sure. Woody is doing it some. But it is not “easy” and we can just be elite because we say so. Way far off from that. 

don’t listen to the Hysterics either. Those guys are a mess. 

Yeah.  And we have old stuffy cheerleading uniforms too.  Get a grip. 

 

Recruits are looking at a handful of things and rank those in the order that is important to them.  It's not like they are traveling to games in yellow school busses.  IU can complete for them just fine, especially with the legalized cheating, I mean NIL.  

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1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Of note:  Oregon just received a commitment from Kario Oquendo from Georgia, 6'4" shooting guard.  Averaged 14 points over his freshman and sophomore years.

I'm not sure Knecht to Oregon is as done as people might think....not indicating anything IU wise, but my gut says he might have wanted to commit to Tennessee and then Ledlum committed, complicating things a bit.

Yeah no special info here, and I know the UT insider said Knecht was down to two, but his process has been basically silent. And now Oregon takes a similar player and UT’s scholarship crunch is tight.

If we were UO fans and he hadn’t committed by this point, I think we’d be getting nervous. Probably not visiting anywhere this weekend due to coaches’ AAU commitments but I wonder what’s coming.

[Scotty R 3,672]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Agree.  But if pitching your program doesn't spark interest I find that's a bigger fail than at least getting a player interested enough to at least visit.  But in the end, recruiting almost always ends in failure.

To my knowledge, IU has only gotten three players on official visits from the portal.

I assume he from out West so maybe isn't really interested in living in Indiana