Bracketology and Team Resumes

[Rico]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Committee had Houston has the 2nd 1 seed.    The last game Houston played against a tournament quality team was Dec 17th.   You could say Memphis yesterday but they are a bubble team at best and they were playing without Davis.   Houston is good but if I’m a 4 seed I’m not mad that I got put in their bracket.   

Aren't the Hoosiers 2-0 against Sampson coached teams?

[RaceToTheTop]

Bracketmatrix and Big Ten teams as of this afternoon:

• Purdue 1 seed (4th overall)
• Indiana 5 seed (17th overall)
• Northwestern 6 seed (23rd overall)
• Illinois 6 seed (24th overall)
• Maryland 7 seed (25th overall)
• Iowa 7 seed (26th overall)
• Michigan State 7 seed (28th overall)
• Rutgers 8 seed (31st overall)
• Wisconsin 11 seed (46th overall, last overall)

Currently nine teams in, although Wisconsin might not be in after auto bid steals.  Although on the surface it seems Wisky shouldn't be in, when you look at the first four teams listed as out on the matrix -- North Carolina, New Mexico, Clemson, and Utah State -- the current last few spots in and out don't have real strong cases.

 

[IUHoosierJoe]

7 hours ago, Rico said:

Aren't the Hoosiers 2-0 against Sampson coached teams?

We’re at least 3-0.  Beat him twice while he was at Oklahoma and once while he was at Washington State that I remember.

[Stuhoo]

20 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

We’re at least 3-0.  Beat him twice while he was at Oklahoma and once while he was at Washington State that I remember.

I think Race Thompson was on at least one of those IU squads 

;)

[HoosierFan1994]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Bracketmatrix and Big Ten teams as of this afternoon:

• Purdue 1 seed (4th overall)
• Indiana 5 seed (17th overall)
• Northwestern 6 seed (23rd overall)
• Illinois 6 seed (24th overall)
• Maryland 7 seed (25th overall)
• Iowa 7 seed (26th overall)
• Michigan State 7 seed (28th overall)
• Rutgers 8 seed (31st overall)
• Wisconsin 11 seed (46th overall, last overall)

Currently nine teams in, although Wisconsin might not be in after auto bid steals.  Although on the surface it seems Wisky shouldn't be in, when you look at the first four teams listed as out on the matrix -- North Carolina, New Mexico, Clemson, and Utah State -- the current last few spots in and out don't have real strong cases.

 

Insane the Big Ten has seven teams between a 5 and an 8 seed!! Big Ten Tournament will be fun this year.

Dumb question: Let's say there is like a 5 way tie with IU and other teams for seeding in the B1GT...does it come down to record against the other teams you are tied with? IMO it should be strength of schedule. I have a feeling like 4 teams will be 12-8 and 3 will be 11-9. 

[Rico]

47 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

We’re at least 3-0.  Beat him twice while he was at Oklahoma and once while he was at Washington State that I remember.

I had forgotten about WSU.  We beat them in the championship game of the Indiana Classic.  Ironically that year the Cougars got knocked out in the 1st Rd. of the NCAAT by Boston College.  We would get beat by those same Eagles.  Damon's Sr. year.

[HoosierAloha]

27 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Insane the Big Ten has seven teams between a 5 and an 8 seed!! Big Ten Tournament will be fun this year.

Dumb question: Let's say there is like a 5 way tie with IU and other teams for seeding in the B1GT...does it come down to record against the other teams you are tied with? IMO it should be strength of schedule. I have a feeling like 4 teams will be 12-8 and 3 will be 11-9. 

https://247sports.com/Article/Big-Ten-Tournament-2023-Projected-seeds-schedule-tiebreakers-202322753/

[Hoosierfan1901]

I hope we are in the South Region, would be nice to travel 2 hours to the Sweet 16 (if we make that). I either think IU will be placed in the South Region or Midwest Region

[Uspshoosier]

 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Insane the Big Ten has seven teams between a 5 and an 8 seed!! Big Ten Tournament will be fun this year.

Dumb question: Let's say there is like a 5 way tie with IU and other teams for seeding in the B1GT...does it come down to record against the other teams you are tied with? IMO it should be strength of schedule. I have a feeling like 4 teams will be 12-8 and 3 will be 11-9. 

Very good chance that there will be a multiple team tie that makes a difference in what teams get the first round byes.  If IU goes 4-0, they will have a bye.  3-1, pretty hard to envision any scenarios where they don't have a bye.  2-2....starts to depend on teams in ties.  Helps IU if if Maryland and Northwestern aren't involved in ties;  helps IU if Illinois IS involved in ties.

Funny thing is that in the case of Michigan and Michigan State, if IU beats them they help out in ties -- but beating them probably makes it likely they won't be involved in any 12-8 ties.

Current KenPom projections

• Purdue 15.2-4.8
• Northwestern 12.6 - 7.4
• Indiana 12.1 - 7.9
• Maryland 11.7 - 8.3
• Rutgers 11.7 - 8.3
• Iowa 11.2 - 8.8
• Illinois 11.1 - 8.9
• Michigan St 11.1 - 8.9
• Michigan 10.5 - 9.5
• Penn St 8.8 - 11.2
• Nebraska 8.5 - 11.5
• Ohio St 4.8 - 15.2
• Minnesota 1.7 - 18.3
   

 

[HoosierAloha]

19 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Very good chance that there will be a multiple team tie that makes a difference in what teams get the first round byes.  If IU goes 4-0, they will have a bye.  3-1, pretty hard to envision any scenarios where they don't have a bye.  2-2....starts to depend on teams in ties.  Helps IU if if Maryland and Northwestern aren't involved in ties;  helps IU if Illinois IS involved in ties.

Funny thing is that in the case of Michigan and Michigan State, if IU beats them they help out in ties -- but beating them probably makes it likely they won't be involved in any 12-8 ties.

Current KenPom projections

• Purdue 15.2-4.8
• Northwestern 12.6 - 7.4
• Indiana 12.1 - 7.9
• Maryland 11.7 - 8.3
• Rutgers 11.7 - 8.3
• Iowa 11.2 - 8.8
• Illinois 11.1 - 8.9
• Michigan St 11.1 - 8.9
• Michigan 10.5 - 9.5
• Penn St 8.8 - 11.2
• Nebraska 8.5 - 11.5
• Ohio St 4.8 - 15.2
• Minnesota 1.7 - 18.3
   

 

If we go 2-2 I believe we're going to need a few upsets (a PSU over Rutger and/or Maryland, O$U to beat Maryland, Wiscy to beat Iowa). It would be nice if we just went ahead and took care of things ourselves winning 3/4 to get the 2 or 3 seed.

[HoosierFan1994]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Very good chance that there will be a multiple team tie that makes a difference in what teams get the first round byes.  If IU goes 4-0, they will have a bye.  3-1, pretty hard to envision any scenarios where they don't have a bye.  2-2....starts to depend on teams in ties.  Helps IU if if Maryland and Northwestern aren't involved in ties;  helps IU if Illinois IS involved in ties.

Funny thing is that in the case of Michigan and Michigan State, if IU beats them they help out in ties -- but beating them probably makes it likely they won't be involved in any 12-8 ties.

Current KenPom projections

• Purdue 15.2-4.8
• Northwestern 12.6 - 7.4
• Indiana 12.1 - 7.9
• Maryland 11.7 - 8.3
• Rutgers 11.7 - 8.3
• Iowa 11.2 - 8.8
• Illinois 11.1 - 8.9
• Michigan St 11.1 - 8.9
• Michigan 10.5 - 9.5
• Penn St 8.8 - 11.2
• Nebraska 8.5 - 11.5
• Ohio St 4.8 - 15.2
• Minnesota 1.7 - 18.3
   

 

Agree. Hoping Northwestern starts to lose. IU is a combined 0-3 against them and Maryland. 

[Hoosierfan1901]

Interesting simulation here

(IU better be in the South Region, I don’t care if we are against Bama if we make the S16.  As long as we make it, I’ll be there to cheer them on!)

[lillurk]

These Minnesota uniforms are sharp. Think they’re throwbacks but I’m watching with the sound off so if it has come up I haven’t heard it.

[Uspshoosier]

Kansas has 14 Q1 wins.    Next closest is Purdue with 9.     Kansas is a machine.   Only explanation for committee having Purdue in front of them on the seed list is they met Monday-Wednesday and had their top 16 already and didn’t change it after Purdue lost on Thursday.  That could also explain why IU was the top 4 seed as well 

[NashvilleHoosier]

Noticed Illinois beating Minnesota last night dropped them 5 spots in the NET (i'm sure there were other factors) and our home win is now Q2. But man am I glad that we've put ourselves in the situation where it's a nice to have instead of hanging on to every outcome of our quality wins hoping they'd stay a Q1 or Q2.

[RaceToTheTop]

On 2/20/2023 at 6:39 PM, HoosierAloha said:

If we go 2-2 I believe we're going to need a few upsets (a PSU over Rutger and/or Maryland, O$U to beat Maryland, Wiscy to beat Iowa). It would be nice if we just went ahead and took care of things ourselves winning 3/4 to get the 2 or 3 seed.

FWIW....KenPom projections are:

Rutgers loses at Penn State 68-67

Maryland wins at Penn State 70-69

Maryland wins at Ohio State 70-69

Wisconsin beats Iowa 72-71

Those are all pretty much 50/50 games.  Even as bad as Ohio State has been, Maryland has been putrid on the road.  Maryland's only true road wins are at Louisville and at Minnesota.

[Uspshoosier]

IU dropped 2 spots to 20 in the NET 

[Rico]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

IU dropped 2 spots to 20 in the NET 

Meh, we will jump back up after we beat Purdue.  lol

[Uspshoosier]

2-8 (2020)

3-7 (2021)

3-8 (2022)

4-7 as of now (2023)

12-29 overall