Dakich

[ebridges24]

My thoughts are I agree with you 100% on his treatment of Archie, and I don't have any clue what it's about.   My guess?   Indiana has not yet improved under Archie (I'm putting a lot of that on the players); players have been a mixed bag; and he believes (as I kinda' have also) that an IU guy needs to run this program because of how unique it is.   Or, I think he believes - as I do - that a guy like Bruiser Flint has no business on IU's bench.  That should be Michael Lewis or someone like AJ Moye.  I don't think there are many other programs outside of Kentucky that have two completely different and equally vocal fan bases.  IU alums and IU fans. 

The IU fans, like UK fans give the program a bad name.   They're the ones chasing kids at recruiting camps and asking high school kids for autographs.  They're the ones with inflated and unreasonable expectations. They're the dipsh*ts at games who make idiotic comments and who make stupid comments on Twitter.   And sadly?  They're the most vocal.   I think it takes being in it to understand that.   Archie looks like he got it later this season, but didn't at all a year ago.  I know there are SOME alums that act like morons, but by and large...it's "fans."  Archie is learning.  I can see it.   Crean never did and I don't know that Dakich believes Archie is learning....but I "guess" he is angry that IU hasn't done one thing to help itself by ignoring former players; and including Fife and Lewis right now; there have been many who were qualified to at least have a conversation.  Dakich uses the word "arrogance" a lot, and I think he's right. 

Our administration is and has been completely arrogant thinking we don't need an IU guy.   This is indeed a unique program and people who have played here or been part of it get that.   Others like Crean, Davis, Sampson, and maybe Archie (although I truly believe based on what I have seen and heard; along with the transfers this week tell me he is either starting to get it or completely gets it.   We'll see who comes in now.  Joey Brunk would be a good one, IMO) do or have not.  The last 20 years has proven that theory incorrect at least on the surface, as we've definitely lost the culture and "fans" continue to make excuses.  Archie being the admin's guy, Dakich takes it out on him.   That's a guess.   Could be more to it, and I would LOVE for Archie to go on his show to talk.  Would be the highest rated local radio show in history.   

Long answer, and I'm sorry....but that's what I think.

Really good post. Don't know if all of it was correct, but still a good post. Old Friend and Old Fart doin' work.

 

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[Bowhunter]

I say we pay Fife a boat load of money to be lead assistant. I’d like to get him back before we are coaching against him for 30 years at MSU, when Izzo retires. Fife brings toughness, and skills he learned from Knight and Izzo. I know it would never happen because the Archie would be potentially hiring his own replacement. I would be shocked if Fife doesn’t become MSU’s next Head Coach, but if things don’t turn around here I would think he could be a really good hire for now and then.

 

 

 

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

I say we pay Fife a boat load of money to be lead assistant. I’d like to get him back before we are coaching against him for 30 years at MSU, when Izzo retires. Fife brings toughness, and skills he learned from Knight and Izzo. I know it would never happen because the Archie would be potentially hiring his own replacement. I would be shocked if Fife doesn’t become MSU’s next Head Coach, but if things don’t turn around here I would think he could be a really good hire for now and then.
 
 
 
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Yes yes yes!

But I think Fife knows he is kinda coach in waiting so I don’t think we could pull him no matter the offer.


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[Old Friend]

45 minutes ago, ebridges24 said:

Really good post. Don't know if all of it was correct, but still a good post. Old Friend and Old Fart doin' work.

 

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Thanks.  Like I said...guesses.  Somewhat educated, but still guesses.   

[Old Friend]

38 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

I say we pay Fife a boat load of money to be lead assistant. I’d like to get him back before we are coaching against him for 30 years at MSU, when Izzo retires. Fife brings toughness, and skills he learned from Knight and Izzo. I know it would never happen because the Archie would be potentially hiring his own replacement. I would be shocked if Fife doesn’t become MSU’s next Head Coach, but if things don’t turn around here I would think he could be a really good hire for now and then.

 

 

 

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If Archie makes this hire, he will be hiring someone else's replacement.   That would be a very smart hire, even if it was only for a few years.   I bet Dane is a head coach in the MAC within 3 seasons and a major conference within 6.     Western Michigan (his home state) just finished 8-24, and their last 4 seasons have been awful (combined 44-74, even with a 1st place in MAC West in there).   No crystal ball or anything, but if I were them........

And Eastern Michigan just finished 15-17.  Three of last 4 seasons right at .500.    I dunno.......

[Stuhoo]

36 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

 I bet Dane is a head coach in the MAC within 3 seasons and a major conference within 6.     

 

I betcha Dane Fife goes straight from his current seat next to Izzo to Head Coach at MSU.

 

[Old Friend]

45 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I betcha Dane Fife goes straight from his current seat next to Izzo to Head Coach at MSU.

 

I would agree with you....but I just don't think Izzo's done!   Or anytime soon!  He's 64....I would bet he coaches until he's...70?   72?    You think Fife waits that long??   Hell, the Indiana job might be open by then!  =)

So for the sake of it and because I don't care if I win or lose....in it for the reward either way.  I'll betcha a cold beer.  In?

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Dan Dakich calling other people arrogant?  Okay.

[Aeggie]

People are critical of Flint saying that he didn't win enough to be an ASSISTANT but want Fife for HC based on his sterling record as a head coach? People are really arguing that Flint didn't win enough at a lower level to advise on coaching in the B1G but Fife is eligible to make the final calls after his performance as a head coach?

Clearly there's more to Flint and Fife or neither Miller or Izzo would want them on staff but maybe some of you know something I don't.

As an alumnus I want our coach to assemble the best staff he can. I think ties to the region are meaningful but I don't think ties to the program are. If another alumnus is the best hire available, great. Otherwise someone else should get the job.

[Old Friend]

29 minutes ago, Aeggie said:

People are critical of Flint saying that he didn't win enough to be an ASSISTANT but want Fife for HC based on his sterling record as a head coach? People are really arguing that Flint didn't win enough at a lower level to advise on coaching in the B1G but Fife is eligible to make the final calls after his performance as a head coach?

Clearly there's more to Flint and Fife or neither Miller or Izzo would want them on staff but maybe some of you know something I don't.

As an alumnus I want our coach to assemble the best staff he can. I think ties to the region are meaningful but I don't think ties to the program are. If another alumnus is the best hire available, great. Otherwise someone else should get the job.

No offense to you my man, but after 20 seasons of staying away from coaches with ties to Indiana  University and seeing the results, I don't think you understand this program.   If you think for one second anyone here or anywhere wants Fife because of his "sterling record as a head coach," you are missing the boat badly.    That really has absolutely nothing to do with it.   

Sorry, as I know that's not a kind post, but your words indicate you don't understand the perspective of those who want "Indiana Basketball" to be "Indiana Basketball."    We've tried east coast.  We've tried the south.  We've tried flash in the pan one hit wonder successful coach.    We've tried "first time coach who players like."   We've hired former head coaches with no Indiana ties to be assistants.   And....what's that accomplished?   

At unique programs you do unique things.  You treat it like a special, unique place that not every coach understands or where every coach can succeed.   You don't approach it like everyone else approaches their program.   Why was Bruiser Flint "the best hire" over an Indiana guy?  You really don't believe BEING "an Indiana guy" plays a role in a coach being "the best hire?"   If you don't believe a qualified coach who's an "Indiana guy" is a better hire than an equally qualified coach who isn't, you don't understand what this program is.   Again, I'm sorry, but it is what it is.

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Sorry, but guys telling others they ‘don’t understand the program’ because they aren’t keen on giving the keys to the car to a guy who went 82-97 at their last stop shouldn’t really be casting stones.

[Aeggie]

25 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

No offense to you my man, but after 20 seasons of staying away from coaches with ties to Indiana  University and seeing the results, I don't think you understand this program.   If you think for one second anyone here or anywhere wants Fife because of his "sterling record as a head coach," you are missing the boat badly.    That really has absolutely nothing to do with it.   

Sorry, as I know that's not a kind post, but your words indicate you don't understand the perspective of those who want "Indiana Basketball" to be "Indiana Basketball."    We've tried east coast.  We've tried the south.  We've tried flash in the pan one hit wonder successful coach.    We've tried "first time coach who players like."   We've hired former head coaches with no Indiana ties to be assistants.   And....what's that accomplished?   

At unique programs you do unique things.  You treat it like a special, unique place that not every coach understands or where every coach can succeed.   You don't approach it like everyone else approaches their program.   Why was Bruiser Flint "the best hire" over an Indiana guy?  You really don't believe BEING "an Indiana guy" plays a role in a coach being "the best hire?"   If you don't believe a qualified coach who's an "Indiana guy" is a better hire than an equally qualified coach who isn't, you don't understand what this program is.   Again, I'm sorry, but it is what it is.

No offense to you, my man, but your diploma doesn't make you any more of an alumnus or an authority than anyone else that went to IU. You're attacking Flint for what, exactly? Someone else asked you to quantify exactly what his role is and what deficiencies he has that makes you think someone else deserves his job and you couldn't answer because you don't know. Indiana ties is not part of what makes a good basketball coach so it's not a sufficient criterion to qualify or disqualify. Sorry, but it is what it is. 

[Feathery]

7 minutes ago, Aeggie said:

No offense to you, my man, but your diploma doesn't make you any more of an alumnus or an authority than anyone else that went to IU. You're attacking Flint for what, exactly? Someone else asked you to quantify exactly what his role is and what deficiencies he has that makes you think someone else deserves his job and you couldn't answer because you don't know. Indiana ties is not part of what makes a good basketball coach so it's not a sufficient criterion to qualify or disqualify. Sorry, but it is what it is. 

People want to see Indiana ties on the bench, as an assistant. Look at Duke’s bench, only former players. Duke is a unique place who will hire a former player to carry on the culture. I love Archie, I don’t have anything against Bruiser. I just hope the next assistant opening, whenever that may be, is a Indiana guy. There are quilified former players that haven’t gotten a sniff to be assistants and that’s an issue imo. You bridge the gap and set a great precident  by staying within the family. You can show recruits that if they go to Indiana and want to coach, there is a pathway. We are going to be recruiting a lot of 4 year guys, this is a big selling point. 

I also understand Archie just getting here and hiring guys he knows and trusts to get him going. I don’t think he fully I stood the culture because he didn’t have an Indiana guy in the bench. I think he is figuring it out though, it’s just taken longer. 

This isn’t a Archie issue, it went back to Crean and Sampson before him. Too lazy to look at Mike Davis’s staffs. 

[Stuhoo]

7 hours ago, Old Friend said:

I would agree with you....but I just don't think Izzo's done!   Or anytime soon!  He's 64....I would bet he coaches until he's...70?   72?    You think Fife waits that long??   Hell, the Indiana job might be open by then!  =)

So for the sake of it and because I don't care if I win or lose....in it for the reward either way.  I'll betcha a cold beer.  In?

 

Yes...I like beer!

My opinion is that if Fife hadn’t already decided to wait it out, he would’ve already been gone.

 

[Old Friend]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Yes...I like beer!

My opinion is that if Fife hadn’t already decided to wait it out, he would’ve already been gone.

 

He can certainly be selective at this point.    I have zero clue who has talked with him or offered him a job, but I'm in and look forward to the payout regardless of whose pocket gets a bit lighter.  

[Old Friend]

3 hours ago, Aeggie said:

No offense to you, my man, but your diploma doesn't make you any more of an alumnus or an authority than anyone else that went to IU. You're attacking Flint for what, exactly? Someone else asked you to quantify exactly what his role is and what deficiencies he has that makes you think someone else deserves his job and you couldn't answer because you don't know. Indiana ties is not part of what makes a good basketball coach so it's not a sufficient criterion to qualify or disqualify. Sorry, but it is what it is. 

I'm not telling you my diploma means anything at all.  But my experience does.  

And again, if you think what I'm telling you is Indiana ties have something to do with "being a basketball coach," you still don't get it and still have no idea where you are or what the point is for having an Indiana guy as a primary person on the bench and in the program.   It's WAY beyond "being a basketball coach."   

Brusier Flint was at best a mediocre coach at a small school.  How does that qualify him to help Archie make decisions or recruit or succeed at a high level at Indiana (think outside the low beams)?    Brusier Flint stands with his hands in his pockets during timeouts.   He was hired because he's known Archie and the Millers for a long time.   He was hired because he has east coast ties.  I have answered all of that.   You are a wonderful parrot.

[Old Friend]

3 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

Sorry, but guys telling others they ‘don’t understand the program’ because they aren’t keen on giving the keys to the car to a guy who went 82-97 at their last stop shouldn’t really be casting stones.

Then I'll tell you the same thing because you clearly don't get it either.   Fife's record has zero to do with it

[JSHoosier]

4 hours ago, Aeggie said:

People are critical of Flint saying that he didn't win enough to be an ASSISTANT but want Fife for HC based on his sterling record as a head coach? People are really arguing that Flint didn't win enough at a lower level to advise on coaching in the B1G but Fife is eligible to make the final calls after his performance as a head coach?

Clearly there's more to Flint and Fife or neither Miller or Izzo would want them on staff but maybe some of you know something I don't.

As an alumnus I want our coach to assemble the best staff he can. I think ties to the region are meaningful but I don't think ties to the program are. If another alumnus is the best hire available, great. Otherwise someone else should get the job.

We've avoided "Indiana guys" for a couple of decades now, and it hasn't worked.  Maybe we should try something different.

[Aeggie]

22 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

I'm not telling you my diploma means anything at all.  But my experience does.  

And again, if you think what I'm telling you is Indiana ties have something to do with "being a basketball coach," you still don't get it and still have no idea where you are or what the point is for having an Indiana guy as a primary person on the bench and in the program.   It's WAY beyond "being a basketball coach."   

Brusier Flint was at best a mediocre coach at a small school.  How does that qualify him to help Archie make decisions or recruit or succeed at a high level at Indiana (think outside the low beams)?    Brusier Flint stands with his hands in his pockets during timeouts.   He was hired because he's known Archie and the Millers for a long time.   He was hired because he has east coast ties.  I have answered all of that.   You are a wonderful parrot.

And you have some talent for eliding the fact that you don't know what Bruiser's role is just like I said. You're guessing based on a few times you've caught a glimpse of him on the sideline during 1 of 35 or so games. Sure sensei.

If Flint was a mediocre coach at a small school, so was Fife. And if Fife can provide value to Izzo at MSU despite having been a mediocre coach at a small school, then disqualifying Flint for the same reason seems rather ridiculous. If Flint is disqualified for his head coaching record, so is Fife. You're basing your argument against Flint on the fact that he went .534 as the head man but Fife went .458 in 6 seasons at IPFW and never finished higher than 4th in the conference. If that doesn't stop Fife from being able to "help make decisions or recruit or succeed at a high level" in the B1G Ten, why would you imagine it prevents Bruiser from doing so?

That's probably why you're resorting to personal attacks. You have a weak argument based on your feelings. You're starting from your bias and working backwards to justify it. Of course you end up talking out of both sides of your... whatever.

[RaceToTheTop]

6 hours ago, Old Friend said:

Then I'll tell you the same thing because you clearly don't get it either.   Fife's record has zero to do with it

If you think that Fife’s coaching record isn’t a factor, then you will never get it.