The Season Is Finally Over, Now Where Does This Program Go?

[Bailey7878]

If it was up to the fan base Crean probably would've been gone sooner, like he should have been.

Problem is if archie does not succeed fred will likely keep him on a few years too long as well.

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[Bailey7878]

He would have been gone after the 10-11 season. Threw money at Brad Stevens and still gotten Cody Zeller.


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That year was a disaster and should of been it for crean. It would have been it at some other schools.

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[southernindianahoosier2]

6 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

And he begged to stay on i remember telling feed he was going to change how he recruited, etc. Fred did not want to fire him but had no choice.

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Wait, Fred seriously did not want to fire him?

[Honkyman]

It is false to say no one was talking about Crean and Priller and the rest until I brought it up. I was responding to another in a series of rants about this topic. Hardly a day goes by when at least one person doesn't bring Priller and the others and go off on Crean up on this board and I let it go by. Instead, this time I expressed my opinion that getting Oladipo and Anunoby was worth a few misses. It brought out all the chronic Crean haters. Maybe I should have let it go by as I always have in the past but I didn't.  That's the last time, however. My opinion on the subject, for what its worth, has been expressed. I would hope that the others on this subject also drop it but I'm not holding my breath.

Edited March 29, 2019 by Honkyman

[Hillsdale87]

But, don't you understand, he's saying Tom Crean is irrelevant to what happened this year and what's going to happen next year. I don't understand why his name is even involved with this thread. I'm not trying to be an a-hole, I just see where Honkyman is coming from.

Crean is responsible for the majority of this year's contributors. Sure Moore, Smith, and Al are technically Archie's recruits, but he took the job in March. It wasn't like he had a chance to recruit for that class and bring in top talent. Everybody was committed at that point, and even if a few top guys weren't, he didn't have a chance as he hadn't been recruiting them at Dayton. The talent in Archie's 2 classes is much higher than the Crean/Archie class. In all likelihood, that 2017 class would have been much better if he had been here longer. Based on his Indiana recruiting success, he probably would have gotten Wilkes.

Nobody who's defending Archie is saying it's all Crean's fault. There's no way this team should have gone through a 1-12 stretch. But it's just not realistic to expect a quick turnaround when the top recruits are all freshmen and/or injured.


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[Bailey7878]

Wait, Fred seriously did not want to fire him?

That was the word. And I remember in Freds press conference he had said he strongly considered giving him another year. I think fred was told to fire him.

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[southernindianahoosier2]

10 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

That was the word. And I remember in Freds press conference he had said he strongly considered giving him another year. I think fred was told to fire him.

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Dios Mio........ 

[Honkyman]

Maybe with Clifton Moore leaving, Brunk makes some sense. We still need a shooter.

[Old Friend]

16 hours ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

Everyone knew Davis would be limited. Achilles injuries take time to heal and its more of a two year injury to get back to 100%. The fact we didn't have another option there knowing this is on the staff for not bringing someone in...oh wait they brought in Fizner :)

Fitzner averaged 5 PPG at St. Mary's.  I wish I understood the high expectations, but I don't.   I was far more disappointed with the complete lack of growth by Moore.  Forrester was a freshman.  Thompson was too, for all practical purposes.   Moore showed nothing for a sophomore; and while I wish him well, we won't miss him.

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Old Friend said:

Fitzner averaged 5 PPG at St. Mary's.  I wish I understood the high expectations, but I don't.   I was far more disappointed with the complete lack of growth by Moore.  Forrester was a freshman.  Thompson was too, for all practical purposes.   Moore showed nothing for a sophomore; and while I wish him well, we won't miss him.

Those St Mary’s teams were like top 40 in Kenpom. Hardly a garbage team to be a role player on

[Old Friend]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

Those St Mary’s teams were like top 40 in Kenpom. Hardly a garbage team to be a role player on

Right.  And he was.   So why did everyone expect him to come to Indiana and do more than he did?

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Old Friend said:

Right.  And he was.   So why did everyone expect him to come to Indiana and do more than he did?

We expected him to come in and fill a role. Not ridiculous at all. Yep pretty sure Nick Zs stats were not head and shoulders better. 

 

[Old Friend]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

We expected him to come in and fill a role. Not ridiculous at all. Yep pretty sure Nick Zs stats were not head and shoulders better. 

 

He did fill a role.  Not always well; but he was far better in the minutes he played - especially defensively - than Moore would have been.   There were expectations of him doing more than he did.  Nick Z was a guard and played in someone else's system.   Much different player.  Apples and oranges.  

[maharkn]

Well there is the first to transfer

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[Golfman25]

5 hours ago, Honkyman said:

No, let's talk more about Crean and Priller and April and all those bad players Crean recruited years ago. That is the perfect focus for a threat entitled "The Season Is Finally Over, Now Where Does This Program Go?" And, let's believe unsubstantiated rumors about having to keep Crean's recruits (even though Miller pushed one of them out of the program).

How about a different angle? What should IU do to bring players into the program who can shoot 3-pointers at a respectable rate? I have to confess to feeling jealous watching Purdue hit 15 3-pointers last night on their way to the Elite 8. How do we get guys like Ryan Cline and Carson Edwards to come to IU? Should IU even be considering recruiting Joey Brunk when what we need most is shooters?

 

Go to the HYPER.  :) 

[Hillsdale87]

What was up with CAM and McKinley Wright in year one. Wright ended up at Colorado. He would have been a difference maker. Was CAM told hands off?

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If Archie was told to do his best to keep Crean's recruits, then we didn't have a spot for him


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[Napleshoosier]

Hey, Crean sucks! Anybody have an extra Cougars hat I can wear tonight?

 

 

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[finky]

8 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

I think they need to bring someone in to work with the players.  Shooting issues, especially free throws, are a trend in Miller's entire career so I have a hard time blaming players (at least the players solely) for that.

Not to be like this :)   aren't those what Asst Coaches do?

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3 hours ago, Old Friend said:

Fitzner averaged 5 PPG at St. Mary's.  I wish I understood the high expectations, but I don't.   I was far more disappointed with the complete lack of growth by Moore.  Forrester was a freshman.  Thompson was too, for all practical purposes.   Moore showed nothing for a sophomore; and while I wish him well, we won't miss him.

Yeah, not finding minutes this year........wish him the best, that was the right decision for the young man

[HoosierRobbie]

Sure would have been nice to have Aaron henry.


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