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B1G Tournament Thread

By Stuhoo, in Indiana Men's Basketball

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LamarCheeks    19,659

LamarCheeks
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6 minutes ago, HoosierSadaseci said:

Here's to hoping that Archie will have this team better prepared to make a run than Crean ever seemed to.

Or Bob Knight. Or Mike Davis. Or Kelvin Sampson. Or Dan Dakich. ... Hell, I think in all the years of the B1G tourney, we've only even reached the final once. And in that one, we lost to that weasel Alford. 

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Magnanimous    4,631

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On 2/24/2018 at 1:18 PM, LamarCheeks said:

Having the B1G tourney in MSG always seemed to be just throwing a bone to the Eastern teams -- Maryland and Rutgers (I still don't understand why they're in our conference) -- but the fact remains that we are a Midwest-based league. The tourney should be in Indy or Chicago. I could see even Detroit as a possibility. Maybe Cleveland or Milwaukee -- just for something different. But IMO, the tournament should always be in the Midwest.  

It may be a Midwest-based league, but it has been and is continuing to grow as an East Coast-based alumni deposit. IU's 2017 freshmen class was only 57% in-state. It's about as much of a state-school now as Notre Dame is. And while this may sound surprising/disheartening for Hoosier locals, IU isn't doing anything that most of the other flagship universities aren't doing as well. Between Michigan's undergraduate and graduate school enrollments, UM is now at 50% in-state. Wisconsin is barely hovering above the 50% range as well. At the extreme end of the spectrum is Alabama, who has piggy-backed off the success of the Saban era in reeling in OOS student tuition, and now sits at only 41% in-state.

Penn State, Indiana, and Michigan have the three largest alumni associations in the country, and a good chunk of them live in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic. I have seen Kelley backpacks riding the T in Boston, SPEA shirts walking around DC, and IU hats in Central Park. I don't think it's a bad idea to occasionally bring the product to where much of their market now resides. Delany stated he wants the Big Ten Tournament to be located in the Midwest (Chicago and Indy) 80% of the time and 20% on the East Coast (NYC and DC). I think that's fair considering Rutgers, Maryland, and Penn State are east coast schools, and Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Northwestern in particular have a lot of alumni in NYC and DC. 

Maryland was a decent addition, but adding Rutgers was more of an excuse to further open the product to the east coast market. It helps the universities as much as it helps the athletic programs to break into these markets. IU really isn't a state school anymore (besides the whole public funding aspect...). Neither is Michigan, or Wisconsin, or Alabama, or West Virginia, or Arizona State, or Colorado. These are national universities that happen to be located in their respective states. And yes, the concept of a state-school is founded on providing a quality education to primarily state residents, but college is a business, and the truth of the matter is that out-of-state students are worth 3x the amount to the university as in-state students. They pay more in tuition, they naturally market the university across the country, and their higher admission standards raise the academic reputation of the university. Downtown Bloomington has flourished the last two decades due to the influx of out-of-state students.

I know this may feed the "OOS students don't appreciate IU basketball as much because they didn't grow up with it" crowd, but it has been great for the school as a whole. Regarding appreciating the tradition of IU basketball, it's not like OOS students are indifferent about IU being good at basketball. Being a part of major college athletics is a huge selling point for OOS students as part of their "college experience." It's something that isn't offered in the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic nearly to the degree as it is available in the Midwest and South. You have Penn State football and Syracuse basketball as far as tradition goes. Maybe UConn basketball too, but that's a program without an identity at this point. 

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GloryDays    5,938

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Or Bob Knight. Or Mike Davis. Or Kelvin Sampson. Or Dan Dakich. ... Hell, I think in all the years of the B1G tourney, we've only even reached the final once. And in that one, we lost to that weasel Alford. 

And Benedict Recker!


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CR3AMnCR1MS0N    1,867

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I like your confidence.

 

My made up percentage chance of winning prospective games:

I say Minnesota 70%

Purdue 15%

OSU 25%

MSU 10%

 

 

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So a 0.25% chance of winning? I think our odds are higher than that.

 

Yes like more than 3 times those odds! .80. Better odds of Bob Knight walking back into Assembly Hall lol

 

 

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If this tournament was played 1,000 times we'd win it 8 times?

Some reason, I don't think we would win it more than 4 times. Maybe I just can't get over the fact we've never won one, and we always seem to choke away the big games this year.

 

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TheWatShot    14,312

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53 minutes ago, Woodson1980 said:


And Benedict Recker!


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I think Recker was sitting out that year because of his transfer. It was the following year when we wiped the floor with Iowa twice during the season only to lose that game on his buzzer beater in the third matchup.

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