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[Maynard 561]

So what you're showing us is that Archie Miller, with far less talent at Dayton than Crean has had at IU, has a similar record to TC? I look at that and see how much TC under performed. Archie Miller will do just fine.  

You can interpret the numbers however you like. I didn't post words like "potential" and "tactician" I posted his numbers. If you want to factor in talent, I would also consider that Crean's SOS was two times as good as Millers.

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[jmsgws 2,181]

4 minutes ago, VeevlandBrowns said:

 because IU is an elite job. 
 

I would change that to say IU WAS an elite job.  Miller could be great, but I see the hire as a gamble.  Pedigree is no better than Crean's was 9 years ago.  Granted IU is in a completely different place, though.

But if IU is such an elite job, I don't think you have to hire a coach at almost 6 times his current salary. 

[Josh 13,238]

Correct me if I'm wrong but he led Dayton to the elite 8 in 2014 and took them back to the sweet 16 a year later with a depleted roster and no over 6'6" due to giving some people the boot. 4 straight tourney appearances I mean he's done this all at a mid major program. He also took down Syracuse in 2014 which Crean couldn't even sniff. You still may not be convinced and that's not my point but I don't know what else people want. No one from a mid major is consistently going to make deep runs in the tournament not named gonzaga.


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Thanks...that helps a little I guess.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,703]

Great hire IMO

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[HoosierTrav 8,339]

That's what's supposed to make us feel better? They're the same coach but Crean had more luxuries?? Got anything else for me?

 

Where do you get off saying Archie and Crean are the same coach? You're overreacting rn. Remind of the last time Crean took a team to the NCAA tournament 4 years in a row? Dayton had been to 1......1 in the previous 9 seasons before him. Now extrapolate the fact that he's been consistent at Dayton with what resources he will have available to him at Indiana University. Seriously, gather yourself and start thinking with logic, rather than emotion. Ask yourself.....if you never would have had the thought of hiring Billy Donovan planter in your head, would you view this hire the same way? Miller advanced DAYTON further in the NCAA tournament than Crean was able to in 9 years at Indiana. DAYTON!!!!

[RedsIUfan 161]

2 minutes ago, Dizz said:

You have to factor the tougher opponents vs. the better players.  This balances out.. He had weaker opponents with worse players.

I understand that. I believe what is disconcerting to some is that yes, he had fewer resources at a somewhat lower competition but although he did well he didn't really dominate with his "superior Xs and Os" everyone is referencing. 

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1 minute ago, Maynard said:

 

You can interpret the numbers however you like. I didn't post words like "potential" and "tactician" I posted his numbers. If you want to factor in talent, I would also consider that Crean's SOS was two times as good as Millers.

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Wouldn't it have to be considerably better, considering their respective conferences?

[Bowhunter 3,129]

I'm hoping this hire goes better than crean. Though it seemed like when we got him most were disappointed we thought we'd get better. The national media bragged on crean saying what a good get he was until the day he was let go. I hope everyone has patience at least more than what I have. I think it could be a slow process.

 

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[Dalton26 17,208]

Hey guys don't start name calling or anything like that. Josh is asking legitimate questions. I'd much rather someone do what he's doing than stomp their feet saying I'm done or we screwed up. He's wanting to see what some of the rest of us see in Archie. Remember we are all rooting for the same team at the end of the day.


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[Maynard 561]

Correct me if I'm wrong but he led Dayton to the elite 8 in 2014 and took them back to the sweet 16 a year later with a depleted roster and no over 6'6" due to giving some people the boot. 4 straight tourney appearances I mean he's done this all at a mid major program. He also took down Syracuse in 2014 which Crean couldn't even sniff. You still may not be convinced and that's not my point but I don't know what else people want. No one from a mid major is consistently going to make deep runs in the tournament not named gonzaga.


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I think you are wrong. They went to the Elite 8 and then won a play in and first round game the next year.

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[BlueDevil 9,556]

Thanks...that helps a little I guess.

Basically what I'm trying to say is with less talented rosters he was competing with the big dogs at a high level when push came to shove. The dude can coach.


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[HoosierTrav 8,339]

Hey guys don't start name calling or anything like that. Josh is asking legitimate questions. I'd much rather someone do what he's doing than stomp their feet saying I'm done or we screwed up. He's wanting to see what some of the rest of us see in Archie. Remember we are all rooting for the same team at the end of the day.


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I immediately regretted the drama queen statement. Edited. Sorry josh.

[Hoosierfan2017 25,041]

4 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

Playing Arizona and Kentucky every year would be awesome. Add in the fact that you play an ACC team and the non conference schedule would be in business.

The Crossroads Classic and the Louisville series as well. There are definitely some good opportunities to vastly improve our non-conference schedule. 

[Hoosier Guy 8,333]

1 minute ago, HoosierTrav said:

 

Where do you get off saying Archie and Crean are the same coach? You're being a drama queen right now. Remind of the last time Crean took a team to the NCAA tournament 4 years in a row? Dayton had been to 1......1 in the previous 9 seasons before him. Now extrapolate the fact that he's been consistent at Dayton with what resources he will have available to him at Indiana University. Seriously, gather yourself and start thinking with logic, rather than emotion. Ask yourself.....if you never would have had the thought of hiring Billy Donovan planter in your head, would you view this hire the same way? Miller advanced DAYTON further in the NCAA tournament than Crean was able to in 9 years at Indiana. DAYTON!!!!

 

You changed your profile picture too? I'm about to. Damn I get to see his wife on two avatars now haha

[Josh 13,238]

 
Where do you get off saying Archie and Crean are the same coach?

The graph from a couple pages back says so. That's why I was looking for encouragement.

[Maynard 561]

Correct me if I'm wrong but he led Dayton to the elite 8 in 2014 and took them back to the sweet 16 a year later with a depleted roster and no over 6'6" due to giving some people the boot. 4 straight tourney appearances I mean he's done this all at a mid major program. He also took down Syracuse in 2014 which Crean couldn't even sniff. You still may not be convinced and that's not my point but I don't know what else people want. No one from a mid major is consistently going to make deep runs in the tournament not named gonzaga.


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Also, there are several mid majors who have a better tourney record than Miller over his tenure.

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[BlueDevil 9,556]

I think you are wrong. They went to the Elite 8 and then won a play in and first round game the next year.

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I could be I can't remember off the top of my head while driving


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[HoosierTrav 8,339]

You changed your profile picture too? I'm about to. Damn I get to see his wife on two avatars now haha

Worst case scenario: Archie bombs but we get to look at her the whole time.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,703]

Then we have a bunch of idiots in charge.

I had both Marshall and Archie in my top 5

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[Dalton26 17,208]

I immediately regretted the drama queen statement. Edited. Sorry josh.

You, me, and everyone else are guilty of doing the same thing. Emotions are running high right now one way or another. Josh and I agree on very little but one thing I've never seen him do is just tune everything out, at least he's willing to hear the other side of it.