Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[bigrod 2,979]

28 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

I completely agree and would also argue it hasn't done the NBA any favors either. Drafting kids based on "potential" is a bad plan, but they apparently feel compelled to. If that pressure was off the NBA could draft players based on their actual skills rather than raw measurements and athleticism. How utterly ridiculous that Jr & Sr's are punished because you have a body of work to evaluate that shows their strengths & weaknesses. Freshmen are relative blank slates that might be spectacular. It's reminds me of penny stock speculating.  

There are a (very) few guys that are NBA ready out of High School, no reason to make them go through a 1 yr college charade if they don't want to. And no one HAS to go to college, overseas is an option too. I think the NFL and especially MLB approach makes way more sense for everyone.  

But... the NCAA would not be able to make million$ off of them. It's not good for college or the NBA, but it's good for the NCAA's pocketbook. I think the NBA wanted the D-League as an alternative, but it just doesn't have the draw and exposure that college does.

[Stromboli 6,132]

YEEEEESSSSSS.

This makes my day.  Justin Smith plays angry.  He uses his body to create space and goes up aggressively.  Plays spacing well like a wing should, looks for all kinds of shots.  From what I understand of Archie's defense, Smith's physical style will translate well.  Excellent size.  Good kid, good family.  Wants to go to business school.  

Seriously this is a program building type move.  I'm not usually prone towards hyperbole but I honestly believe that Smith is going to be a bigger contributor for us than OG, Juwan, or Troy.  He has tools, size, aggression, flat demeanor, and seemingly the right mindset.  He played good competition and showed very consistent production.  

Jordan Tucker has a higher ranking, but honestly doesn't seem like his spot shooting and hands-off play will translate to the Big Ten.  Clifton Moore is a giant "maybe" at this point, but from what I've seen doesn't play real hard.  Justin Smith is the real deal.  I love it.

[bigrod 2,979]

2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

You have to believe that Archie is not at all concerened about the apparent over signing.  Surely Smith's parents and probably Durham's parents as well raised that issue in their one on one meetings and received satisfactory answers.

I believe it was Wayne that raised the point that JBJ has probably already mentally checked out of IU and is gone regardless of what he hears from the NBA people.  I'm not that confident about TB leaving but think the chances are around 60-40 that he does leave.  And, IMO we're going to see a transfer from either Gelon or CuJo. 

I suspect there is probably something to any or all of those.

[Stromboli 6,132]

2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

You have to believe that Archie is not at all concerened about the apparent over signing.  Surely Smith's parents and probably Durham's parents as well raised that issue in their one on one meetings and received satisfactory answers.

I believe it was Wayne that raised the point that JBJ has probably already mentally checked out of IU and is gone regardless of what he hears from the NBA people.  I'm not that confident about TB leaving but think the chances are around 60-40 that he does leave.  And, IMO we're going to see a transfer from either Gelon or CuJo. 

JBJ has dreamt of playing pro ball for years, and so is easy to see him want to make the jump.  I feel like I'm in the minority in that I love having him out on the floor.  He is a legitimate star, but somehow we've never treated him that way.  If I'm not looking at the situation through my crimson colored glasses, he's probably going to go.

I can't get a read on TB.  I know that this year was a major punch in the balls for him.  If he goes, it is easy to see his high school bud CuJo go too.  

I will say, the guys on the team are very close, and I think they believe that they are very talented and have a shot to do some damage next year.  

In conclusion....  I have no idea what's going to happen.  I just like IU basketball.

[Stuhoo 86,014]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

You have to believe that Archie is not at all concerned about the apparent over signing. Surely Smith's parents and probably Durham's parents as well raised that issue in their one on one meetings and received satisfactory answers.

I believe it was Wayne that raised the point that JBJ has probably already mentally checked out of IU and is gone regardless of what he hears from the NBA people.  I'm not that confident about TB leaving but think the chances are around 60-40 that he does leave.  And, IMO we're going to see a transfer from either Gelon or CuJo. 

 

Guarantee it.

Same goes for Clifton; if he re-commits, it is with an assurance that there is an open spot for him. There has to be.

 

[Dalton26 17,034]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Guarantee it.

Same goes for Clifton; if he re-commits, it is with an assurance that there is an open spot for him. There has to be.

 

Archie seems like the type of coach that if all of our guys said they were coming back he likely would've been upfront with our recruits so they could find another place to go. He just doesn't seem like the kind of guy that is going to get them all to recommit and then deal with it later. I'm assuming the rumors of Gelon transferring are true. I don't think Moore will be a Hoosier so my best guess is OG leaves and Gelon transfer which gets us to our magic number.

[Chris007 56,624]

11 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

You have to believe that Archie is not at all concerened about the apparent over signing.  Surely Smith's parents and probably Durham's parents as well raised that issue in their one on one meetings and received satisfactory answers.

I believe it was Wayne that raised the point that JBJ has probably already mentally checked out of IU and is gone regardless of what he hears from the NBA people.  I'm not that confident about TB leaving but think the chances are around 60-40 that he does leave.  And, IMO we're going to see a transfer from either Gelon or CuJo. 

I would be real surprised if someone from the current team excluding JBJ and TB leave. JMO

[drewheck 749]

You have to believe that Archie is not at all concerened about the apparent over signing.  Surely Smith's parents and probably Durham's parents as well raised that issue in their one on one meetings and received satisfactory answers.

I believe it was Wayne that raised the point that JBJ has probably already mentally checked out of IU and is gone regardless of what he hears from the NBA people.  I'm not that confident about TB leaving but think the chances are around 60-40 that he does leave.  And, IMO we're going to see a transfer from either Gelon or CuJo. 

id hope its gelon we all saw what cujo is capable of and i think sophomore cujo plays more consistent

 

 

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[Stromboli 6,132]

24 minutes ago, VO5 said:

This is totally based off of watching highlight videos, but Smith's game reminds me of Josh Hart from Villanova. Even if he can become a poor man's Hart he'll be really, really good.

I like this video from the ITH article.  It shows his possessions on missed shots, too, which really helps get an idea for how he plays.  

 

[AZ Hoosier 9,535]

I wish they would let kids go straight out of highschool or make them play 3.Just my opinion but really think the one and done thing has hurt the college game.

If they did that, what would Cal do to field a team?

[Hoosierfan2017 23,577]

Justin Smith averaged just under 3 dunks a game last year. Very nice. 

[Trish 12,803]

Josh / Green

Rojo / Al

James / Smith

Collin / Morgan

Thomas / Davis

 

10 man rotation. I don't get paid enough to help Archie out this much.

[Stromboli 6,132]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

Josh / Green

Rojo / Al

James / Smith

Collin / Morgan

Thomas / Davis

 

10 man rotation. I don't get paid enough to help Archie out this much.

Yeah I'm wondering if I can be the new bench hype man since Lyonel is leaving.

[VO5 8,340]

8 minutes ago, Stromboli said:

I like this video from the ITH article.  It shows his possessions on missed shots, too, which really helps get an idea for how he plays.  

 

The biggest thing I took from this was that he attacks the glass hard for rebounds. Driving can use some work. He tends to drive himself into a corner at times, but that's something Archie can fix. I'm excited to see him next year!

[HoosierSadaseci 2,540]

id hope its gelon we alla daw what cujo os capable of and i think sophomore cujo plays more consistent


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What the heck, drew?

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[drewheck 749]

What the heck, drew?

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Damn cell phones

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[Tom White 1,435]

What the heck, drew?

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Miller Time came early for him this morning.

[Dalton26 17,034]

13 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

 

If they did that, what would Cal do to field a team?

 

Knowing Cal he would just offer them more money on their 1 yr UK contract.

[bigrod 2,979]

 

11 minutes ago, Dalton26 said:

Knowing Cal he would just offer them more money on their 1 yr UK contract.

You beat me to it...

[drock161 586]

I wish they would let kids go straight out of highschool or make them play 3.Just my opinion but really think the one and done thing has hurt the college game.

I (and many people I think) agree. But it would difficult to pull off. The rule that says they need to be 19 to be in the draft is an NBA rule, right? And the NCAA would have to make the 3 year rule.
The NCAA can't change the draft rules and the NBA can't make college requirements. If they'd work together it'd be great but I don't know if it would happen.