Wow Dakich!

[Brass Cannon 25,176]

35 minutes ago, LockdownD said:

Because they win.  Wining helps a fanbase overlook bad behavior.

Sampson was doing quite well

[LockdownD 2,248]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

Sampson was doing quite well

Some fan bases can and do overlook some things (fake classes, wheels for heels, stripper parties for recruiting). As long as they win, it's no big deal to the fans.  I believe our fan base has been proud of the "clean" program that Knight promoted and expects that to continue.  Some fans can excuse some things that others can't.

[johnsoniu 7,006]

11 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Sampson was doing quite well

And Sampson was supported by a LARGE segment of the fan base, right up until the notice of allegations. Even then, quite a few people wanted him to stay.

[HoosierTrav 8,185]

Meeeeeehhh if Dakich had the university's best interests in mind, he wouldn't be lobbying for a guy with such a questionable moral past. Dakich cares about one thing and one thing only... Dakich.


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THANK YOU!!!

[HoosierTrav 8,185]

In regards to Dakich and this BS narrative that we need an IU guy as head coach. I'm gonna list a few names and let's see if there's been an overwhelming precedent set.

Bob Knight
Coach K
John Wooden
John Calipari
Rick Pitino
Billy Donovan
Bill Self
Brad Stevens
Sean Miller

Which one of these great coaches were previously affiliated with their respective universities?

Indiana doesn't need an "IU guy". They need a guy with proven ability, that can appreciate the tradition and history, while at the same time stand outside of Bob Knight's shadow. Kids/recruits were tadpoles while Alford was at IU. Anyone who thinks Alford is going to come in and lock the state's top players down, is fooling themselves. Ask these recruits whether they want to play for Tom Izzo, Coach K, Calipari, Pitino, or..............Steve Alford? That's a no brainer. If we really want to lock this state down, we need to hire Billy Donovan or Brad Stevens.

[Old Friend 8,584]

1 hour ago, LockdownD said:

Some fan bases can and do overlook some things (fake classes, wheels for heels, stripper parties for recruiting). As long as they win, it's no big deal to the fans.  I believe our fan base has been proud of the "clean" program that Knight promoted and expects that to continue.  Some fans can excuse some things that others can't.

This brings up a very good debate.  I agree with you, by the way.  This says "Indiana is different."   We do things our way, or we want to; and a clean program is part of that.  So are 4 year kids.  So is fundamental basketball.  So is a roster full of kids from around here who play basketball the way we all know Indiana kids play basketball.  Why is it we will so easily cast aside some values, yet continue to embrace others?   

[mdn82 25,970]

This brings up a very good debate.  I agree with you, by the way.  This says "Indiana is different."   We do things our way, or we want to; and a clean program is part of that.  So are 4 year kids.  So is fundamental basketball.  So is a roster full of kids from around here who play basketball the way we all know Indiana kids play basketball.  Why is it we will so easily cast aside some values, yet continue to embrace others?   

Because times change and certain values have to change to compete with the modern landscape. When the one and done or early entry player wasn't relevant because it wasn't often it happened we were noted for graduation rates. This is something that puts us at a competitive disadvantage if we were unwilling to adapt to the modern landscape. This was one area I thought Crean handled well. I hope the next coach piggybacks off of this.


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[Gahoosierfan 274]

I respect Steve Alford and appreciate what he did at IU. That said I don't care for him as a coach. I think he would be a mistake. We don't need an IU guy. We need the best available coach with a proven track record period. Bad ADs in the past have made horrible choices. I am talking about Doninger and Greenspan. This is a defining moment for Glass. He was underwhelming in his non-search for a new football coach. He has to get this right. IU can move up in the B10 or continue to lag behind. I hope the trustees are watching carefully and stay involved. 

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1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

Because times change and certain values have to change to compete with the modern landscape. When the one and done or early entry player wasn't relevant because it wasn't often it happened we were noted for graduation rates. This is something that puts us at a competitive disadvantage if we were unwilling to adapt to the modern landscape. This was one area I thought Crean handled well. I hope the next coach piggybacks off of this.


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I guess I don't think a local recruiting focus is something we ever had to change.  I think Crean (and Davis) had convinced himself we did; and it worked out poorly for him.  Look around the midwest at teams with kids on their rosters who come from within 200 miles of Bloomington.  Look at the rosters of the teams still playing basketball.  The modern landscape - to me - is mythical.  The best basketball players in the country (and I don't mean guys with ball skills, I mean kids who understand how to play within a 5 man team) come from around here.   Yes, there are plenty from other areas too; but I don't think a value of kids from THIS geographic region was one we needed to deviate from.

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2 hours ago, Old Friend said:

I guess I don't think a local recruiting focus is something we ever had to change.  I think Crean (and Davis) had convinced himself we did; and it worked out poorly for him.  Look around the midwest at teams with kids on their rosters who come from within 200 miles of Bloomington.  Look at the rosters of the teams still playing basketball.  The modern landscape - to me - is mythical.  The best basketball players in the country (and I don't mean guys with ball skills, I mean kids who understand how to play within a 5 man team) come from around here.   Yes, there are plenty from other areas too; but I don't think a value of kids from THIS geographic region was one we needed to deviate from.

I don't see where mdn said to change that. Of course it's absurd to focus in New York when the most fertile ground is in your own backyard hence why Crean had so many issues. If we were Purdue I could understand having to look elsewhere but we should dominated Indiana

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

12 hours ago, Old Friend said:

I think "such a questionable moral past" is a bit of an overstatement; and I truly do think Dakich has IU's best interests at heart.  This search firm helped IU get Kelvin Sampson.  There was a guy with a questionable moral past.  Alford has one incident as far as I know, and also as far as I know, he owned it and apologized for it.   Maybe I don't know everything.  Entirely possible.  But I don't think for one minute that Dakich does not have IU's best interests at heart.

Yeah, after you questioned what I said about Alford's history, I told you to check out the report from the Preside of University of Iowa on the matter...

http://news-releases.uiowa.edu/2003/april/040903skorton.html

[Josh 13,023]

The last class we had with all Indiana kids was a disaster. A bowel movement.

The thought that we have to focus in Indiana because those kids are somenow better is both factless and too small minded for me.

Hire Billy! That would be outstanding

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

I rarely agree with Josh, but, this is on point for me, as well.

[Travis Scott 251]

You could field a competitive team from just Indiana kids, but they most likely wouldn't mesh together or with the coach's system.  The key is grabbing the 1-2 kids each couple of years from the state that fit your team both personality and playing wise.

[Brass Cannon 25,176]

You focus in your own backyard because you get equally skilled players for a fraction of the price. We probably spent less on Wilkes than we did on Tucker for example. Despite spending 5 years on Wilkes. 

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

You could field a competitive team from just Indiana kids, but they most likely wouldn't mesh together or with the coach's system.  The key is grabbing the 1-2 kids each couple of years from the state that fit your team both personality and playing wise.

I agree with this in a sense. My most impressionable years were that of Chaeney, Bailey, the Grahams, and Henderson. Those teams really stood out and stuck with me. I would like to see some great teams built of Indiana talent so the next generation gets that experience. However, at this point, I just want consistently great teams that can unite the fan base and have the younger fans get to share that experience.

[mdn82 25,970]

I guess I don't think a local recruiting focus is something we ever had to change.  I think Crean (and Davis) had convinced himself we did; and it worked out poorly for him.  Look around the midwest at teams with kids on their rosters who come from within 200 miles of Bloomington.  Look at the rosters of the teams still playing basketball.  The modern landscape - to me - is mythical.  The best basketball players in the country (and I don't mean guys with ball skills, I mean kids who understand how to play within a 5 man team) come from around here.   Yes, there are plenty from other areas too; but I don't think a value of kids from THIS geographic region was one we needed to deviate from.

Local recruiting is one thing. I do agree with to an extent. It absolutely has to be better. There has to be better relationships. I was commenting on the 4 year player aspect. In a perfect world we could recruit a player to be here 4 years. In most cases if a player is talented enough to lead you to a title he will not be here 4 years.


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[mdn82 25,970]

The last class we had with all Indiana kids was a disaster. A bowel movement.

The thought that we have to focus in Indiana because those kids are somenow better is both factless and too small minded for me.

Hire Billy! That would be outstanding

I really want us to be able to go into a house within this state and be able to get the majority of who we want. I definitely don't agree we need a team comprised of purely Midwest players for a myriad of reasons. Meshing is a part of it. If a better player is available I want him. Our pipeline has to no doubt be better. But perception and winning solves a lot of that.


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And Sampson was supported by a LARGE segment of the fan base, right up until the notice of allegations. Even then, quite a few people wanted him to stay.

That was me until I found out about the failed classes and not going to classes. I could care less about extra texts and phone calls that initially started the whole thing. The players seemed like they would take a bullet for Kelvin at the time. Probably because he was covering everything up. As a coach, I was pretty happy with the guy. That last team seemed prepped for a deep run until the wheels started coming off.

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On 3/22/2017 at 11:30 AM, mdn82 said:

Local recruiting is one thing. I do agree with to an extent. It absolutely has to be better. There has to be better relationships. I was commenting on the 4 year player aspect. In a perfect world we could recruit a player to be here 4 years. In most cases if a player is talented enough to lead you to a title he will not be here 4 years.


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I'm a fan of upper classmen, and this tournament is proving why.  

Look at Xavier, for example.  Blueitt's a Jr, Mecura's a Jr., Bernard's a Sr.,Gaston's a Sr.  

For Gonzaga, Williams-Goss is a Jr., Karnowski's a Sr., Matthews is a Sr., Williams is a Jr. (4 of top 5 scorers)

For Oregon, Brooks is s Jr., Bouchler is a Sr., Bell a Jr., Ennis a Grad Sr.  3 of top 4

Mason's a Sr. at Kansas, Graham's a Jr., Mykhailiuk a Jr., Lucas a Sr. 4 of top 5

I don't need to tell you about Wisconsin's roster; who already beat a #1 seed.  

I guess I don't agree at all with your last sentence.  I'm not sure more than one or two of the juniors listed above will be NBA players next season; and I will say forever experience counts.  I know the theory you proposed is a popular one; but I'm here to tell you we do NOT need to emulate teams that go with one and done kids.  It might work at Kentucky or North Carolina; but heck, Carolina is LOADED with upper classmen this season.   I completey, but respectfully disagree with your premise, and I think it's very possible to win and win big recruiting 3-4 year kids; and I don't think it has to be perfect world at all.