TOM CREAN FIRED

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I think he's saying that we're a dormant blue blood that just needs a top coach to wake up and become one again. We already have everything else that we need. 

Oh. I'm going to disagree with that the damage from 3 bad hires and Knight unwillingness to change isn't going to be fixed over night. 

We need the right hire and then maybe after a few years we can start talking about being a blue blood again. 

[ccgeneral]

35 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I've tried my best to keep a spreadsheet with all of the offers we extend and at this point, I don't have a single '19 offer on my spreadhsheet (I have 14 offers out for '18).  Is my '19 info correct PAP and CCG?  If it is, is it telling us anything about how CTC sees his future?

15 offers for '18 and 0 after that. There's usually 35-45 per class. All offers are put in the pinned threads in the recruiting forum. I don't think apps can see them though.

[recker222000]

Come on- how often do coaches resign out of contrition for a sub-par job? Hint: super duper rare.

There is a difference between thinking it's time to for him to move on and ripping every aspect of his personality.

Well he also won't ever get 3.5 million anywhere else so of course he won't leave

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[Hoosierfan2017]

12 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Oh. I'm going to disagree with that the damage from 3 bad hires and Knight unwillingness to change isn't going to be fixed over night. 

We need the right hire and then maybe after a few years we can start talking about being a blue blood again. 

I think we're more or less saying the same thing. We already have the facilities, the tradition, the money, etc. to be a blue blood. We just haven't had the success of one in the past 30 years and that has set us back. If the right coach came in and started making deep tournament runs consistently, everything else is already there to become a blue blood again. It won't happen overnight, but I think the right guy could come in and do it in 5-6 years. 

[Uspshoosier]

Oh. I'm going to disagree with that the damage from 3 bad hires and Knight unwillingness to change isn't going to be fixed over night. 

We need the right hire and then maybe after a few years we can start talking about being a blue blood again. 

Fan perception from some IU fans and other fan bases might be that iu isn't a blue blood anymore but the college basketball world as a whole will always view IU as one of the blue bloods. Historically IU is still a top 5 program(if u want to argue 6th I'm ok with that). When the national media does a poll about the top 10 programs to coach. Iu will be mentioned in the top 5 more often then not. IU is still the top school of the B1G when it comes to basketball. No one was more thrilled to see IU have some success then B1G. The B1G is better with IU relevant. The last 3 games we have played against other blue bloods the media has made it a point to show the graphic battle of the blue bloods. While IU has definitely not played like a blue blood program for a long time they are definitely perceived as such by college basketball as a whole


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[HoosierAloha]

My $0.02, we have all the tradition, facilities, and fan support to be a blue blood again. We lack the coach and environment (not from the fans). I've heard many people talk about having an environment to succeed. That includes people looking the other way.

I believe we can have a top notch coach tat can lead us back to an elite status but I'm not sure we will have an environment like puke, KU, or UNC though.

[Brass Cannon]

39 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Fan perception from some IU fans and other fan bases might be that iu isn't a blue blood anymore but the college basketball world as a whole will always view IU as one of the blue bloods. Historically IU is still a top 5 program(if u want to argue 6th I'm ok with that). When the national media does a poll about the top 10 programs to coach. Iu will be mentioned in the top 5 more often then not. IU is still the top school of the B1G when it comes to basketball. No one was more thrilled to see IU have some success then B1G. The B1G is better with IU relevant. The last 3 games we have played against other blue bloods the media has made it a point to show the graphic battle of the blue bloods. While IU has definitely not played like a blue blood program for a long time they are definitely perceived as such by college basketball as a whole


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While all true. I don't care about perception I care about reality. 

[Uspshoosier]

While all true. I don't care about perception I care about reality. 

And reality is college basketball as a whole sees iu still as a blue blood.

You should of said u care about results

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[HoosierTrav]

You say you disagree but then say we aren't a blue blood anymore. I'm confused. 

We will continue to be a blue blood. There is a difference between being a traditional blueblood program and a program who is currently competing at an elite level. We are a blueblood bc of our history and our resources.

[coonhounds]

We are blue blood because of our past we are playing like crap because we need flash cards to rebound and have ran the same inbounds play since 08

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[Hoosier Guy]

IU is absolutely still a blue blood program but hasn't had the right coach to have continued success and stability since RMK. Duke, UNC, Kansas and UK are the programs that are good year in and year out and that's because they've had stability with the HC. Roy Williams, Bill Self, Coach K and John Calipari. UK actually went trough a stretch there for a while with Tubby and Billy that set them back for some years. Their administration knew those two weren't good enough and cut bait. But it was definitely more with Billy then Tubby. Sampson would have been but we all know why he wasn't. The next hire has to be a hit. Otherwise, IU will become just another program

[HoosierAloha]

I remember in the fall when I thought this team could be special on defense. I forgot to factor in the 100 spot decrease for Crean "teaching" it.

What is physically lacking for this team to be defensively elite?

[HoosierCoop]

5 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I remember in the fall when I thought this team could be special on defense. I forgot to factor in the 100 spot decrease for Crean "teaching" it.

What is physically lacking for this team to be defensively elite?

Vic!!!!!!!!!!!

[IUHAHN81]

Although I want a coaching change and Crean and staff may not know defense, I truly believe some of this is on the players.  I mean think about it.  These kids have been playing bball for quite some time now.  I hope somewhere along the line they have been taught at least the basics of defense.  I personally see lack of ability on coaching staff but I also see lack of desire to get it done from the players too.  It truly is a collective issue.  Crean obviously is having zero luck inspiring these guys to truly want it.  If not for Indiana, better do it for yourself because the guys who are trying to go next level look like ass.  My opinion.

[IUHAHN81]

I also agree with a post from earlier that recruiting athletic guys is cool but what we r seeing is athletic guys with zero basketball IQ.  I'd rather have IQ.

[IUHAHN81]

And a coach with IQ

[HoosierAloha]

Although I want a coaching change and Crean and staff may not know defense, I truly believe some of this is on the players.  I mean think about it.  These kids have been playing bball for quite some time now.  I hope somewhere along the line they have been taught at least the basics of defense.  I personally see lack of ability on coaching staff but I also see lack of desire to get it done from the players too.  It truly is a collective issue.  Crean obviously is having zero luck inspiring these guys to truly want it.  If not for Indiana, better do it for yourself because the guys who are trying to go next level look like ass.  My opinion.

It seems like OG, Morgan, and Bryant, while good to great on defense last season have taken a step backwards. Even before the injuries, I don't recall OG stopping players on a consistent basis this season.

Besides Vic, have we ever really had a defensive stopper..? Have we had players that you looked to and thought "wow, they've really improved their defense from last season?"

[Uspshoosier]

I remember in the fall when I thought this team could be special on defense. I forgot to factor in the 100 spot decrease for Crean "teaching" it.

What is physically lacking for this team to be defensively elite?

Toughness, the will to want to stop the person across from you. Combine that with a below average defensive (that is being generous) coach and u get the 140 rated defense. Same coach last year and most same players and they were 59th. Did yogi, max, and nick make that big of difference? Or with no true leader holding anyone accountable are they just sleepwalker on D and figure they will just out score anyone?


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[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, Hoosier Guy said:

IU is absolutely still a blue blood program but hasn't had the right coach to have continued success and stability since RMK. Duke, UNC, Kansas and UK are the programs that are good year in and year out and that's because they've had stability with the HC. Roy Williams, Bill Self, Coach K and John Calipari. UK actually went trough a stretch there for a while with Tubby and Billy that set them back for some years. Their administration knew those two weren't good enough and cut bait. But it was definitely more with Billy then Tubby. Sampson would have been but we all know why he wasn't. The next hire has to be a hit. Otherwise, IU will become just another program

So 30 years of little to no success and we are still a blue blood but 35 and we aren't?  If the kids you are recruiting can't remember you being relevant year in and year out you aren't still a blue blood. 

[BlueDevil]

It seems like OG, Morgan, and Bryant, while good to great on defense last season have taken a step backwards. Even before the injuries, I don't recall OG stopping players on a consistent basis this season.

Besides Vic, have we ever really had a defensive stopper..? Have we had players that you looked to and thought "wow, they've really improved their defense from last season?"

Yogi improved leaps in bounds on defense his senior year. I think part of the problem as mentioned above with Crean's teams is that he recruits so many "raw" guys. You could probably count on 1 hand the amount of guys that were ready to go as soon as they stepped foot on campus that Crean recruited. There are no guys on this team that you can say damn they are just fundamentally sound. Crean gets his athletes sure but that doesn't equal success very often.


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