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49 minutes ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

I agree with swing for the fences... but there is not such thing as an "Absolute Sure Thing".... We have to go into it with the mindset that we are swinging for the fences and if we hit Warning track or worse yet strike out, then we swing for the fences again the next time we come up (and not 9 years later)

I do think Stevens and Donovan are sure things. But I agree with your point in general

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1 hour ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

I agree with swing for the fences... but there is not such thing as an "Absolute Sure Thing".... We have to go into it with the mindset that we are swinging for the fences and if we hit Warning track or worse yet strike out, then we swing for the fences again the next time we come up (and not 9 years later)

I disagree with the "swing for the fences" mentality.   The only guy who fits that description is Brad Stevens.  He's not coming.    I wish he were....I would outfit my entire house in cream and crimson if he were.  But he's not.    Getting the hire right, if one is to be made, has nothing to do with a coach we've all heard of or someone we know.  

Indiana University has proven it does not want a big name in that position.  Rick Pitino wanted the job both times it was open.  After Davis and after Sampson.  He called IU (or his reps did) independently and on their own, making the IU administration aware he wanted the job.  That's fact.  That happened.  IU said no, that they did not want a guy bigger than the University or with a large personality in the chair.  I have no idea if perspective has changed or if that's true now or not.  But the truth is, our men's basketball program is the world's window into Indiana University.   It's our university's most marketable and visible commodity and asset.  The administration has made mistake after mistake since firing Knight, and this hire?  It needs to get perfect....if indeed a hire is to be made.

That does not mean Billy Donovan.   It does not mean Mark Few.  It does not mean Gregg Marshall.   It means we go find the best basketball coach we can find, and he might be the current coach at Fairmont State.  It might be some assistant at Creighton.  It might be Dane Fife.  I have no idea who it is, and it's not my job to know.   What we don't  need is a retread.  Nobody we've heard of on a "swing for the fences" scale is available unless there's baggage.  

We need a guy who can recruit locally, who understands absolutely what expectations are at Indiana, makes sure his PLAYERS know and holds them accountable; someone who can calmly work the sidelines and adjust to his opponent when necessary, dictate when necessary, and game plan differently when necessary.  A guy who understands turnovers are not okay, shot selection matters, defensive effort is an expectation, and a 6'10" kid from Richland, Texas who has no skills has no business on Indiana's roster.   He needs to be an x and o guy whose offense moves and whose players understand the game and how to make team mates better.   He has to say things when he's interviewed and mean them.  He has to avoid platitudes and coach speak.  Who is that guy?  I don't know.  But I have no interest in just getting the "next hot coach" or a name guy just for the sake of a name.  There's a proper fit at Indiana, and it's Stevens.  Beyond him?   That's for somebody else to say.

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23 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

I disagree with the "swing for the fences" mentality.   The only guy who fits that description is Brad Stevens.  He's not coming.    I wish he were....I would outfit my entire house in cream and crimson if he were.  But he's not.    Getting the hire right, if one is to be made, has nothing to do with a coach we've all heard of or someone we know.  

Indiana University has proven it does not want a big name in that position.  Rick Pitino wanted the job both times it was open.  After Davis and after Sampson.  He called IU (or his reps did) independently and on their own, making the IU administration aware he wanted the job.  That's fact.  That happened.  IU said no, that they did not want a guy bigger than the University or with a large personality in the chair.  I have no idea if perspective has changed or if that's true now or not.  But the truth is, our men's basketball program is the world's window into Indiana University.   It's our university's most marketable and visible commodity and asset.  The administration has made mistake after mistake since firing Knight, and this hire?  It needs to get perfect....if indeed a hire is to be made.

That does not mean Billy Donovan.   It does not mean Mark Few.  It does not mean Gregg Marshall.   It means we go find the best basketball coach we can find, and he might be the current coach at Fairmont State.  It might be some assistant at Creighton.  It might be Dane Fife.  I have no idea who it is, and it's not my job to know.   What we don't  need is a retread.  Nobody we've heard of on a "swing for the fences" scale is available unless there's baggage.  

We need a guy who can recruit locally, who understands absolutely what expectations are at Indiana, makes sure his PLAYERS know and holds them accountable; someone who can calmly work the sidelines and adjust to his opponent when necessary, dictate when necessary, and game plan differently when necessary.  A guy who understands turnovers are not okay, shot selection matters, defensive effort is an expectation, and a 6'10" kid from Richland, Texas who has no skills has no business on Indiana's roster.   He needs to be an x and o guy whose offense moves and whose players understand the game and how to make team mates better.   He has to say things when he's interviewed and mean them.  He has to avoid platitudes and coach speak.  Who is that guy?  I don't know.  But I have no interest in just getting the "next hot coach" or a name guy just for the sake of a name.  There's a proper fit at Indiana, and it's Stevens.  Beyond him?   That's for somebody else to say.

Why is Brad Stevens the only guy that fits that mentality?

Swing for the fences could mean Stevens or Fife or anybody for that matter.... Swing for the fences mentality means we go after THE guy that we believe is going to take the program back to elite status.... Don't let NO be an option, don't let money be a deterrent.... That is what Swing for the Fences means to me... it doesn't mean 1 person in particular.

The coach you described as wanting (without a name - just the attributes).... Would you not consider that a homerun if we hire somebody with all the qualifications you mentioned? That is swinging for the fence.

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3 hours ago, hoosierpap said:

He is

But didn't he first commit to Xavier?  THat sticks in my feeble mind.

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27 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

I disagree with the "swing for the fences" mentality.   The only guy who fits that description is Brad Stevens.  He's not coming.    I wish he were....I would outfit my entire house in cream and crimson if he were.  But he's not.    Getting the hire right, if one is to be made, has nothing to do with a coach we've all heard of or someone we know.  

Indiana University has proven it does not want a big name in that position.  Rick Pitino wanted the job both times it was open.  After Davis and after Sampson.  He called IU (or his reps did) independently and on their own, making the IU administration aware he wanted the job.  That's fact.  That happened.  IU said no, that they did not want a guy bigger than the University or with a large personality in the chair.  I have no idea if perspective has changed or if that's true now or not.  But the truth is, our men's basketball program is the world's window into Indiana University.   It's our university's most marketable and visible commodity and asset.  The administration has made mistake after mistake since firing Knight, and this hire?  It needs to get perfect....if indeed a hire is to be made.

That does not mean Billy Donovan.   It does not mean Mark Few.  It does not mean Gregg Marshall.   It means we go find the best basketball coach we can find, and he might be the current coach at Fairmont State.  It might be some assistant at Creighton.  It might be Dane Fife.  I have no idea who it is, and it's not my job to know.   What we don't  need is a retread.  Nobody we've heard of on a "swing for the fences" scale is available unless there's baggage.  

We need a guy who can recruit locally, who understands absolutely what expectations are at Indiana, makes sure his PLAYERS know and holds them accountable; someone who can calmly work the sidelines and adjust to his opponent when necessary, dictate when necessary, and game plan differently when necessary.  A guy who understands turnovers are not okay, shot selection matters, defensive effort is an expectation, and a 6'10" kid from Richland, Texas who has no skills has no business on Indiana's roster.   He needs to be an x and o guy whose offense moves and whose players understand the game and how to make team mates better.   He has to say things when he's interviewed and mean them.  He has to avoid platitudes and coach speak.  Who is that guy?  I don't know.  But I have no interest in just getting the "next hot coach" or a name guy just for the sake of a name.  There's a proper fit at Indiana, and it's Stevens.  Beyond him?   That's for somebody else to say.

IMO Donovan would be almost as much of a home run hire as Stevens and, depending on how the OKC franchise goes in '17 and'18, I think he's more likely than Brad to be interested in a return to college coaching. But 1) I'm not convinced (yet) that Glass will make a move this spring and 2) if he does I suspect he'd be more inclined to hire a younger, less-established guy who wouldn't be as much of a threat to become (a la RMK) "bigger than the program," which I've been told is something the Admin and some Trustees want to avoid at all costs.

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1 hour ago, schoosier said:

Greenspan was horrible along with his predecessor. I'm obviously no fan of Glass either. I believe that has been the biggest reasons for our demise along with Satan himself Myles Brand. Not having a competent AD has killed us getting the right basketball coach.Now we have a fanboy.

I'm no fan Greenspan, but he did at least get the facilities renovation project started. And he hired Tracy Smith and Hep. I'm no fan of McNeely either, but he did at least hire Ray Looze. IMO, Looze and T. Smith are probably IU's 2 best coaching hires in the past 2 decades.

To date, Glass' hires have been a very mixed bag IMO. Which is why, as much as I think Crean needs to be replaced, I'm not confident about the prospect of FG picking his replacement.

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That's a name that hardly ever gets mentioned for new openings. Unless he has let it be known he has no interest in other jobs, it's a little strange.

Mark Few is a pipedream. Was told that by Goodman, Eisenberg, Rothstein and seen it by Seth Davis as well over the last few weeks. Eisenberg actually said Brad would be easier to get for us.

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Just take a look at NC State. Gottfried has done more since V I believe and got canned before the end of season. 6 years, 4 NCAA's & 2 Elite 8's. Creans never been there in 9 years at Indiana yet nothing's been done. That's on fanboy Glass and only him. Do you believe our Aussie PRS has a clue about Indiana b-ball?

Valid point and one no one has brought up. I said it the day they announced that he was gone Glass should be ashamed. If a school like NC State see's itself as a better school than us to do that, than Glass really loves Tommy boy!! NC State wont get much better than what they had specially with the new ACC. Even the middle tier with a bad break or two is gonna start having losing records more. Yet at IU we have let Crean get away with kidnapping a blue blood program!! Now we wait to see if someone else can bring it back.

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Chris Beard is up against West Virgina at WVU. I am telling ya this guy can coach. If he wins today that is 3 should be 4 top 10 wins at TEXAS TECH.

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6 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

Mark Few is a pipedream. Was told that by Goodman, Eisenberg, Rothstein and seen it by Seth Davis as well over the last few weeks. Eisenberg actually said Brad would be easier to get for us.

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I don't know why people even talk about getting Mark Few anymore.  He was the "hot coach" for about a decade, but he obviously is happy at Gonzaga.  Don't blame him either because he's got a really good thing going there.  I think people sometimes forget that there are some people that can't be bought.

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I don't know why people even talk about getting Mark Few anymore.  He was the "hot coach" for about a decade, but he obviously is happy at Gonzaga.  Don't blame him either because he's got a really good thing going there.  I think people sometimes forget that there are some people that can't be bought.

Exactly!! He has shown he can get elite freshmen when he wants, elite transfers when he wants, plays in weak conference which guarantees a bid each year, fans love him, zags arent even considered a mid major anymore by most and has full support of the school.

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30 minutes ago, sierracoach said:

I'm no fan Greenspan, but he did at least get the facilities renovation project started. And he hired Tracy Smith and Hep. I'm no fan of McNeely either, but he did at least hire Ray Looze. IMO, Looze and T. Smith are probably IU's 2 best coaching hires in the past 2 decades.

To date, Glass' hires have been a very mixed bag IMO. Which is why, as much as I think Crean needs to be replaced, I'm not confident about the prospect of FG picking his replacement.

Michael McNeely was terrible.  I think people forget about how much he screwed up the athletic department in his short time here.  Rick Greenspan actually was really good with the alumni from what I always heard.  The thing people remember him for, however, was hiring Kelvin Sampson.  I'm not saying he shouldn't shoulder some of the blame, but he did not want Sampson at all.  That was 100% Adam Herbert's decision because he wanted a minority hire.          

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Michael McNeely was terrible.  I think people forget about how much he screwed up the athletic department in his short time here.  Rick Greenspan actually was really good with the alumni from what I always heard.  The thing people remember him for, however, was hiring Kelvin Sampson.  I'm not saying he shouldn't shoulder some of the blame, but he did not want Sampson at all.  That was 100% Adam Herbert's decision because he wanted a minority hire.          

Anyone who had a say at that time was freaking out that IU wouldnt get back to where they wanted. I heard plenty from my uncle who is close to Tom Spiece who has connections everywhere in Indiana that they were willing to risk it with Kelvin to win. My question was why not Calipari then? Js if we got him at the time we probably have a title or two. I hate the guy but if you were okay w sampson why not?

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3 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

Anyone who had a say at that time was freaking out that IU wouldnt get back to where they wanted. I heard plenty from my uncle who is close to Tom Spiece who has connections everywhere in Indiana that they were willing to risk it with Kelvin to win. My question was why not Calipari then? Js if we got him at the time we probably have a title or two. I hate the guy but if you were okay w sampson why not?

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I think there's pretty solid anecdotal evidence of 2 things: 1) Greenspan actually wanted to hire Beilein from WVU but the buyout was too big (IIRC, this may have been before the BTN contract $$?)--Michigan had no problem coming up with the money; 2) the hiring of Sampson was driven by the then-IU President and one or more Trustees over the objections of, among others, the Athletic Director.

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I think there's pretty solid anecdotal evidence of 2 things: 1) Greenspan actually wanted to hire Beilein from WVU but the buyout was too big (IIRC, this may have been before the BTN contract $$?)--Michigan had no problem coming up with the money; 2) the hiring of Sampson was driven by the then-IU President and one or more Trustees over the objections of, among others, the Athletic Director.

Exactly. If falls on more than the AD like you said though. Some boosters werent giving up money if it wasnt their guy. Our program was a mess and we had no leader. With Glass I have faith he can at least get a majority of the boosters and administration on the same page this time. Greenspan lost the vote of confidence when Bennett said no due to reasons Greenspan was involved with. EVERYONE wanted Bennett and it kinda deflated everyone after. I had heard Beilein was wanted but the money wasnt there. This time around money shouldnt be an issue like you said the big money from the tv deal was nonexistent then.

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1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

But didn't he first commit to Xavier?  THat sticks in my feeble mind.

I thought it was Cincinnati.

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I just have a feeling, no sources or info. But I just have this feeling Glass has met with Crean already and told him it's over. I think Glass is searching the field right now, seeing who may have interest. Just my feeling of the situation as to where it stands today.


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I just have a feeling, no sources or info. But I just have this feeling Glass has met with Crean already and told him it's over. I think Glass is searching the field right now, seeing who may have interest. Just my feeling of the situation as to where it stands today.


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He is doing what NC State is doing he is just making sure no leaks are getting out. He doesnt want that reputation that IU handles these things like middle schoolers.

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24 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I just have a feeling, no sources or info. But I just have this feeling Glass has met with Crean already and told him it's over. I think Glass is searching the field right now, seeing who may have interest. Just my feeling of the situation as to where it stands today.


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If the rumors are true about how much the Creans, especially Joani, want out of Bloomington, CTC may not have waited for Glass's prompting but may have already told his agent to "start looking." Unfortunately for all parties involved, Crean's agent may be finding out that the opinion of his coaching abilities is not as high among other athletic directors as it is among media wannabes who sometimes are granted access to the IU program and reciprocate by calling CTC a "great strategist" in return.

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I just have a feeling, no sources or info. But I just have this feeling Glass has met with Crean already and told him it's over. I think Glass is searching the field right now, seeing who may have interest. Just my feeling of the situation as to where it stands today.


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Well if he hasn't there is really someone wrong with him. They is simply no way this should continue.

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