TOM CREAN FIRED

[recker222000 1,010]

Last year even the most ardent Crean supporters were saying elite 8 or make a change. Then the year starts bad and we lose Blackman and the expectations were lowered and most were happy with how the year went.

This seems to be the cycle with Crean. Raise expectations - And when we don't meet them do Just enough to stay around.

He is not going anywhere and we need to except it. It stinks but glass will not fire him period

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[southernindianahoosier 422]

So many things Crean has done wrong. Time for him to go.

[8bucks 7,151]

He is not going anywhere and we need to except it. It stinks but glass will not fire him period

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I still think Glass knows what has to be done. If fans accept inconsistent play and feel pretty good with what Crean excels at and can live with his shortcomings then there will be little pressure or incentive to make a change.

If, however, fans don't accept it and push back then Glass will feel that and that could cause a reaction.

Sellouts, wining BT titles is pretty good overall and many may be fine with that. It really depends on what the other group does. If they feel things will not change then they get louder or they get complacent and stop caring.

[JSHoosier 21,912]

5 hours ago, yogisballin said:

Just now going thru this thread. Kids pick the selected colleges 90% of the time because of who the coach is. I agree with most everything you say here and UNC was I'll say OVERWHELMINGLY better than us. But coach has got to pull players consistently to be considered blue blood. Most definitely disagree with your "tonight isn't on him"


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That was from all the way back when we lost to UNC in the Sweet 16, that game wasn't on him.  Last night? Absolutely.

[JSHoosier 21,912]

1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

Last year even the most ardent Crean supporters were saying elite 8 or make a change. Then the year starts bad and we lose Blackman and the expectations were lowered and most were happy with how the year went.

This seems to be the cycle with Crean. Raise expectations - And when we don't meet them do Just enough to stay around.

It's more like make more excuses and continue to lower expectations, because the alternative means admitting the coaching is inadequate.

[JSHoosier 21,912]

38 minutes ago, recker222000 said:

He is not going anywhere and we need to except it. It stinks but glass will not fire him period

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We know.  I've said this same thing ad nauseam.  As long as Glass is the AD Crean will be the coach until he keels over, the program won't win at a level that should be expected in that time but Glass doesn't give a crap.  It doesn't mean we can't vent.

Frustrating thing is it wouldn't take a lot to get an improvement.  Gregg Marshall would be an improvement.  Tony Bennett would be an improvement.  Hell, there's times a guy from the stands with a "coaching basketball for dummies" book would be an improvement.

[Hoosierfan2017 23,982]

9 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

unless you know this from glass and the athletic department I would have to disagree. They are not 100% content and have looked around. They aren't at the point of firing just to fire but that doesn't mean they won't look further and find someone they are comfortable with and move forward. Crean has done a B job so it isn't easy or a no brainer to move on, they need an A replacement which might come this is coking from another coach at IU. They are not 100% tied to Crean but it would take a lot to move forward with his removal

Its just a guess based on what I've seen, I have no inside info. I would love to be completely wrong. So far I just haven't seen anything that suggests that our administration will get rid of Crean even when he vastly underachieves. It seems like they're satisfied with competing for big 10 titles and making it to the tournament. Most schools would love to be in that position, but we're not most schools. Well, we didn't use to be at least. We all think that we should be at a Duke/UNC/Kansas level, but it seems like the administration is cool with being a couple levels below that. 

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

Its just a guess based on what I've seen, I have no inside info. I would love to be completely wrong. So far I just haven't seen anything that suggests that our administration will get rid of Crean even when he vastly underachieves. It seems like they're satisfied with competing for big 10 titles and making it to the tournament. Most schools would love to be in that position, but we're not most schools. Well, we didn't use to be at least. We all think that we should be at a Duke/UNC/Kansas level, but it seems like the administration is cool with being a couple levels below that. 

It's not just the administration. If a group of boosters told Glass that Crean has to go he would be gone or Glass would be gone as well. As much as people don't want to talk about it money talks. However, donations are high and sellouts are often.

Let's not kid ourselves either. It's a Brad Stevens or bust kind timing. This program has to make the right hire to elevate it back to elite status. Stevens is the only coach that would have the rest of the B1G programs collectively crapping their pants.

I stood by and supported Crean on here for years. I thought a change needed to be made but wasn't vocal about it until on here until a few seasons ago.

Crean is what he is. An average coach that can't consistently win at a high level. The person seems like a good guy but the coaching is erratic. The recruiting is a shotgun approach that mimics Oprah giving away cars. As has been reported in the past, the practice schedule is not set. The substitutions are poor and throws players off. The turnovers that go uncorrected. In the past, players getting into trouble without proper discipline. All these things go against human nature of having a solid routine with one voice.

Crean is a good developer of talent and has an eye for kids with potential. This is the style of a mid to lower tier major program that pulls an upset and makes a run to the Sweet 16 every so often. It's not what IU should be or needs. He has brought IU back from that crap fiasco. It's now time for IU to take the next step and make the right hire. Brad Stevens or bust!!

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7 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

It's not just the administration. If a group of boosters told Glass that Crean has to go he would be gone or Glass would be gone as well. As much as people don't want to talk about it money talks. However, donations are high and sellouts are often.

Let's not kid ourselves either. It's a Brad Stevens or bust kind timing. This program has to make the right hire to elevate it back to elite status. Stevens is the only coach that would have the rest of the B1G programs collectively crapping their pants.

I stood by and supported Crean on here for years. I thought a change needed to be made but wasn't vocal about it until on here until a few seasons ago.

Crean is what he is. An average coach that can't consistently win at a high level. The person seems like a good guy but the coaching is erratic. The recruiting is a shotgun approach that mimics Oprah giving away cars. As has been reported in the past, the practice schedule is not set. The substitutions are poor and throws players off. The turnovers that go uncorrected. In the past, players getting into trouble without proper discipline. All these things go against human nature of having a solid routine with one voice.

Crean is a good developer of talent and has an eye for kids with potential. This is the style of a mid to lower tier major program that pulls an upset and makes a run to the Sweet 16 every so often. It's not what IU should be or needs. He has brought IU back from that crap fiasco. It's now time for IU to take the next step and make the right hire. Brad Stevens or bust!!

Getting Brad Stevens would be amazing and I think IU should give him a blank check and tell him we'll give him whatever it takes. If we can't, do you think we should hold tight with Crean and hope Stevens changes his mind in a few years? Given what's in bold, imo we could get a better coach than Crean to come here if Stevens tells us no. Idk who would be willing, but there has to be someone out there who would be better than Crean.. 

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7 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

It's not just the administration. If a group of boosters told Glass that Crean has to go he would be gone or Glass would be gone as well. As much as people don't want to talk about it money talks. However, donations are high and sellouts are often.

Let's not kid ourselves either. It's a Brad Stevens or bust kind timing. This program has to make the right hire to elevate it back to elite status. Stevens is the only coach that would have the rest of the B1G programs collectively crapping their pants.

I stood by and supported Crean on here for years. I thought a change needed to be made but wasn't vocal about it until on here until a few seasons ago.

Crean is what he is. An average coach that can't consistently win at a high level. The person seems like a good guy but the coaching is erratic. The recruiting is a shotgun approach that mimics Oprah giving away cars. As has been reported in the past, the practice schedule is not set. The substitutions are poor and throws players off. The turnovers that go uncorrected. In the past, players getting into trouble without proper discipline. All these things go against human nature of having a solid routine with one voice.

Crean is a good developer of talent and has an eye for kids with potential. This is the style of a mid to lower tier major program that pulls an upset and makes a run to the Sweet 16 every so often. It's not what IU should be or needs. He has brought IU back from that crap fiasco. It's now time for IU to take the next step and make the right hire. Brad Stevens or bust!!

I tried to stand by Crean for a few years, and I let go after that horrid showing against Syracuse in the tournament. I watched regularly for another year or so and just kind of started watching if there was nothing better to do. I have watched probably 2-3 games this year so far and seen nothing has changed. 

I hate to see anyone get hurt, but I think the best thing that happened to Crean was Blackmon getting hurt last year. I think that made the team come together and took the biggest defensive liability off the floor. It also gave him one less option to put into the game and interrupt the flow of the game when they got to playing well.

I think he is a good developer of talent if you are a SG, SF, PG type. I do not think he can develop a big man at all. Most the big men that come to IU seem to not get any better than the day they walk on campus.

 

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3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Getting Brad Stevens would be amazing and I think IU should give him a blank check and tell him we'll give him whatever it takes. If we can't, do you think we should hold tight with Crean and hope Stevens changes his mind in a few years? Given what's in bold, imo we could get a better coach than Crean to come here if Stevens tells us no. Idk who would be willing, but there has to be someone out there who would be better than Crean.. 

I think we could steal a number of better coaches with a big enough check. 

[AKHoosier 7,418]

I agree with an awful lot of posts in here, however it's just too early to judge the season or to start calling for the coach's head.

We could very well win another share of the B1G at 13-5 and get to the Elite 8 depending on matchups, you just never know.

However, the wheels could suddenly start to fall off if we experience a 3-game losing streak among Nebraska-Louisville-Wisconsin.  That would be bad.

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6 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

I agree with an awful lot of posts in here, however it's just too early to judge the season or to start calling for the coach's head.

We could very well win another share of the B1G at 13-5 and get to the Elite 8 depending on matchups, you just never know.

However, the wheels could suddenly start to fall off if we experience a 3-game losing streak among Nebraska-Louisville-Wisconsin.  That would be bad.

Most of this is not based on this season alone though. People are calling for his head because of his body of work or lack there of.

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

Most of this is not based on this season alone though. People are calling for his head because of his body of work or lack there of.

This. We all know what Crean is and can do for the program. If we're okay as a fan base, administration, and all other parties involved than we've settled to be just okay, not great. It's not about this season but his entire tenure. Too many mistakes and excuses for my liking. Next

[Hoosier_roots 138]

Its a real shame to watch the likes of Butler, Purdue, Notre Dame, and even ISU get out there and represent hoosier ball the way it should be represented while Indiana runs around with no discipline and no direction. People love Brad Stevens because his boys play with grit, intelligence, purpose, and boy do they come prepared. He's the opposite of CTC essentially.


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BS is also very much of a long shot to be our future coach. I do agree, he would be a great fit, just highly doubtful.

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5 minutes ago, Hoosier_roots said:

Its a real shame to watch the likes of Butler, Purdue, Notre Dame, and even ISU get out there and represent hoosier ball the way it should be represented while Indiana runs around with no discipline and no direction. People love Brad Stevens because his boys play with grit, intelligence, purpose, and boy do they come prepared. He's the opposite of CTC essentially.


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Agree with this.   I have been saying (and been criticized for it) since Crean's second year at Indiana (and during Davis' tenure) that not prioritizing Indiana and the immediate area as a recruiting base is a huge mistake.   Granted, Butler spends some time out east too; but they are in....The Big East.  People out there see and know Butler.    They also target Indiana kids who play like they know what they're doing.  Crean seems to recruit kids with ball skills, and little else.  Who do we have that really understands angles?  Who really understands how to make a post entry pass?  Who consistently gets the ball to people where they can score?  Who really understands help defense?  

Purdue has a chance to be one of the best teams in the country.  They have 8 kids from Indiana and 2 more from Ohio.  They prioritize the area.   We pick up a few here and there, but we also shotgun the county.  I can see that at a high profile program like Indiana, but Crean doesn't build teams.  He just stocks a roster.   Right now, we are fundamentally very deficient and without leadership.    Which means we have a ceiling unless we shoot it great.  I want kids who understand where they are, what they're doing, and how to play.  I like watching that kind of basketball, and I think it wins.  When you have 19 turnovers at home against Wisconsin, and your coach isn't pounding the table saying that's not okay, we have a problem.    Indiana has one way of doing things.  Sometimes it works.  Sometimes....it doesn't.  Against Nebraska.  At home.  When you've been a top 5 team.

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I think if Indiana had a roster of only area kids, with the current coach, the same problems would exist. Its not so much where they hail from, but the phiosophy of coach.

[reconmkd 4,685]

Despite my lack of better judgment, I decided to listen to Dakich at work today. I know, I know. But all he has done today is slam it IU fan base for wanting something better to break through the ceiling. Apparently we are all a bunch of worthless idiots that know nothing about the game. Yes I agree that CTC turned this program around, but he's not the answer. How is it that we are not smart enough to see the overall picture over the last 9 years that we average 18 T.O's a game and its just supposed to be ok, the team is still growing. Yes the players are still growing learning to play together, but the coach is not. Yeah the wins are great, but when is it acceptable to criticize a coach and want something more? Its been waaayyyy to damn long since the last banner, why is it not acceptable to desire something better?

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Good to see some familiar faces pop up again


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