TOM CREAN FIRED

[JSHoosier 21,912]

1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

Starting to think Chris Holtman is looking like a strong candidate. They have a strong recruiting class coming in (he can recruit). He is building his own strong team, BS sort of left a weak team entering a tough conference. Holtman took over after the other coach flamed out and has recruited, prepared and coached this group of guys and is having good results.

Not there yet but one to watch.

During the Butler game I texted a friend asking if we could trade Crean for Holtman and Lewis.

[Trish 13,284]

We can only pray the Celtics lose in the playoffs for the next 3 years. 

[Alford Bailey 12,888]

16 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

During the Butler game I texted a friend asking if we could trade Crean for Holtman and Lewis.

Holtman and Lewis with our talent? That would be some quality basketball.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

59 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Holtman and Lewis with our talent? That would be some quality basketball.

Lewis on Nebraskaball staff now right?

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

It really goes back to the big time boosters and administration. There won't be a change until they're unhappy. Crean and the basketball team are bringing in large amounts of money and the team stopped embarrassing the uni with arrests and incidents.

As passionate and knowledgeable fans we can see it's not working. A change needs to be made because Crean has a ceiling that isn't good enough for what IU should be. He's too erratic and his teams play this way. It's sad it's come to this when justification was there to make a change years ago.

[JSHoosier 21,912]

7 minutes ago, Uwe Robb said:

Lewis on Nebraskaball staff now right?

Hmm, looks like it.  I thought I saw him during the Butler game.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Hmm, looks like it.  I thought I saw him during the Butler game.

I was in section 2 tonight and saw his bald head walk right by me. I was surprised as well.

[JSHoosier 21,912]

2 minutes ago, Uwe Robb said:

I was in section 2 tonight and saw his bald head walk right by me. I was surprised as well.

Fine, a 3 program trade.  I'd just like to see this team with Holtman and Lewis coaching them. 

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

Fine, a 3 program trade.  I'd just like to see this team with Holtman and Lewis coaching them. 

I wouldn't mind the local fourth grade coach taking over as long as he gets the team to play smart and together. It's not a personnel issue it's a scheme and steady coach. Crean has more and wilder swings than posters on here.

[HoosierTrav 8,185]

You guys might as well lock this thread and throw away the key. Crean isn't going anywhere for a LONGGGGGG time, whether we like it or not. 0.00000% chance of him being fired before the end of this contract and I'd put money on it that he's here longer.

[JSHoosier 21,912]

4 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

You guys might as well lock this thread and throw away the key. Crean isn't going anywhere for a LONGGGGGG time, whether we like it or not. 0.00000% chance of him being fired before the end of this contract and I'd put money on it that he's here longer.

I agree with you here, but then again Glass wouldn't fire Crean if he burned down an orphanage in Christmas Eve.

Should he be here?  No, he should've already been fired.

[Alford Bailey 12,888]

3 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

You guys might as well lock this thread and throw away the key. Crean isn't going anywhere for a LONGGGGGG time, whether we like it or not. 0.00000% chance of him being fired before the end of this contract and I'd put money on it that he's here longer.

Probably true. I'm still holding on to hope that Glass realizes in the next year or two that Crean cant get us to the next level and makes a move. I think there is a 5-10 % chance of this happening.

[VO5 8,340]

I'm back on this train until our players are actually taught how to defend a frickin basic pick and roll. Seriously, go back and look how many open looks they got off of a screen at the top of the key. We had 2 players going after the ball handler, leaving 3s wide open. As others have said, this isn't a personnel issue. It's 100% coaching and it makes me irate that fixable mistakes are there year in and year out. We are the definition of inconsistent. I don't even care about big wins anymore, they'll inevitably get followed by a terrible loss to a team that just plays smarter. Rinse and repeat. Hello apathy, my old friend.

[Trish 13,284]

18 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

You guys might as well lock this thread and throw away the key. Crean isn't going anywhere for a LONGGGGGG time, whether we like it or not. 0.00000% chance of him being fired before the end of this contract and I'd put money on it that he's here longer.

 

I think the majority on the Fire Tom Crean train know this. It's nice to have a thread to speak our frustrations with coach though. 

 

As of right now, it's safe to say his seat is warming up real quick, 2014-2015 QUICK. 

[8bucks 7,151]

 

I think the majority on the Fire Tom Crean train know this. It's nice to have a thread to speak our frustrations with coach though. 

 

As of right now, it's safe to say his seat is warming up real quick, 2014-2015 QUICK. 

I agree. The seat will get scalding hot quicker because many of us who started to feel good will turn quickly if we continue to stumble.

[HoosierTrav 8,185]

Probably true. I'm still holding on to hope that Glass realizes in the next year or two that Crean cant get us to the next level and makes a move. I think there is a 5-10 % chance of this happening.

I think you're being generous.

[HoosierTrav 8,185]

 

I think the majority on the Fire Tom Crean train know this. It's nice to have a thread to speak our frustrations with coach though. 

 

As of right now, it's safe to say his seat is warming up real quick, 2014-2015 QUICK. 

His seat may be heating up with the fanbase, but it's nice and cozy with the administration. I agree it's nice to be able to come to a place to voice frustration. Just don't let yourselves get worked into a frenzy bc the odds of him being gone within the next 3 years is as close to zilch as they can get. It would take Kevin Wilson-esque type of scenario to get him out sooner.

[HoosierTrav 8,185]

I agree. The seat will get scalding hot quicker because many of us who started to feel good will turn quickly if we continue to stumble.

The administration made it abundantly clear, 2 seasons ago, that they won't be forced by the fans into any decision they don't want to make. We have no voice with this administration. Again, 2 seasons ago made this clear.

[recker222000 1,010]

I think you're being generous.

Very generous.

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3 hours ago, Josh said:

We agree on the problem, we just disagree on the process.  The players are great.  I don't blame them at all.  Our coaching, game planning, adjustments.....that's the terrible part.  We have the players to make a Final 4 run.  We just can't guide them there.

I don't think we disagree.  I think we're saying the same thing a different way.    That said, the players have talent.  But I don't think they're a smart group.  They're certainly not a fundamentally sound group.   We had 19 turnovers.  At home.  Against Nebraska.   Lazy.  Stupid.  Careless.    And what has Crean done in 9 years to cure the same problem that's existed since he got here?  Nothing.  There's no accountability and there's clearly no teaching that turnovers are not okay, and bad shots are not okay.    It's play as fast as you can and chuck it when you're open.  When teams allow that and you make shots?  You look great.  But....Butler and Wisconsin take it away every year and they beat us every year.  Nebraska did a good job taking it away tonight, and we forced things, missed shots, and had turnovers for touchdowns, losing to a very mediocre 6-6 basketball team we shouldn't lose to in 100 tries.  When 40% of your shots against a bad team are 3 pointers, something's wrong.