Fire Fred Glass

[lucel15 3,052]

Question? I can see why people want Fred gone. However, my question to those people....yes the whole crean thing has gone down a bad bad rabbit hole....but why fire glass yeah maybe he hasn't handled things the way we think they should be handled....Wilson firing...or player problems....however he's done a lot to help all of Athletics.... I understand IU is a basketball school. However we have 24teams and I think he has done a heck of a lot more than Greenspan, who I think was a cancer for the department. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers.... Just posting to see if I'm off base with this thought process. Tough loss today....however I think we all can say the truck stick today was hilarious.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart 86,716]

8 minutes ago, lucel15 said:

Question? I can see why people want Fred gone. However, my question to those people....yes the whole crean thing has gone down a bad bad rabbit hole....but why fire glass yeah maybe he hasn't handled things the way we think they should be handled....Wilson firing...or player problems....however he's done a lot to help all of Athletics.... I understand IU is a basketball school. However we have 24teams and I think he has done a heck of a lot more than Greenspan, who I think was a cancer for the department. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers.... Just posting to see if I'm off base with this thought process. Tough loss today....however I think we all can say the truck stick today was hilarious.


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I'm with you that I don't feel Glass should take a fall solely because of the sorry state of basketball.  It's our marquis program, but he's done an awfully lot of promising things with our other sports and facilities to let a lousy basketball coach cost him his job.  I'll certainly give him the benefit of the doubt at least until I know who he hires as CTC's replacement.

[LIHoosier 26,967]

4 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I'm with you that I don't feel Glass should take a fall solely because of the sorry state of basketball.  It's our marquis program, but he's done an awfully lot of promising things with our other sports and facilities to let a lousy basketball coach cost him his job.  I'll certainly give him the benefit of the doubt at least until I know who he hires as CTC's replacement.

True, but the state of the basketball program and football to a lesser degree is where the donor $$ and ticket revenue lie. Its awesome that the baseball team went to the College WS a few years back and the swimmers won some gold in Rio, but if the money and donations dwindle, that's when his hide is on the line.

[Hovadipo 58,083]

True, but the state of the basketball program and football to a lesser degree is where the donor $$ and ticket revenue lie. Its awesome that the baseball team went to the College WS a few years back and the swimmers won some gold in Rio, but if the money and donations dwindle, that's when his hide is on the line.

But aren't they at an all-time high? I thought I remember seeing that here or Twitter.


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[LIHoosier 26,967]

Just now, Hovadipo said:

 

But aren't they at an all-time high? I thought I remember seeing that here or Twitter.


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Probably, but if Glass decides to keep Crean or (gulp?) give some type of extension to him after this debacle of a year? I'm sure some folks will have blind faith but I'm also sure some will eliminate or reduce their involvement with IU.

[Hoosierfan2017 22,498]

28 minutes ago, lucel15 said:

Question? I can see why people want Fred gone. However, my question to those people....yes the whole crean thing has gone down a bad bad rabbit hole....but why fire glass yeah maybe he hasn't handled things the way we think they should be handled....Wilson firing...or player problems....however he's done a lot to help all of Athletics.... I understand IU is a basketball school. However we have 24teams and I think he has done a heck of a lot more than Greenspan, who I think was a cancer for the department. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers.... Just posting to see if I'm off base with this thought process. Tough loss today....however I think we all can say the truck stick today was hilarious.


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For me personally I don't care how well he does with sports outside of basketball and football. Those are the only two sports that make IU a profit, and those are the sports that make or break the majority of D1 athletic programs. I get that his job is to look after all 24 sports, but if he keeps putting the product we've seen from the basketball team this year onto the court he won't be here very long, or at least he shouldn't be. I'm indifferent to him right now. I didn't like his handling of Wilson's situation, but it was something he probably had to do. If he screws up the basketball coaching situation though, he has to go, imo. 

[Hovadipo 58,083]

Probably, but if Glass decides to keep Crean or (gulp?) give some type of extension to him after this debacle of a year? I'm sure some folks will have blind faith but I'm also sure some will eliminate or reduce their involvement with IU.

Agree with that. I just very seriously doubt that Glass is dumb enough to go against what the deep pockets want.


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[Hoosier Guy 7,613]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

For me personally I don't care how well he does with sports outside of basketball and football. Those are the only two sports that make IU a profit, and those are the sports that make or break the majority of D1 athletic programs. I get that his job is to look after all 24 sports, but if he keeps putting the product we've seen from the basketball team this year onto the court he won't be here very long, or at least he shouldn't be. I'm indifferent to him right now. I didn't like his handling of Wilson's situation, but it was something he probably had to do. If he screws up the basketball coaching situation he has to go, imo. 

I agree man. Football and Men's Basketball are by far the most profitable, popular and recognizable college sports. I like baseball as well but it means squat compared to the other two sports. I am on record saying that if Glass somehow keeps Crean (kill me please), then Fred needs to go as well. The off-season from this basketball season is huge. If he does the unforgivable, Glass needs to go

[lucel15 3,052]

I agree with all the money makers.....however I don't want a new AD to come in and just focus on basketball. I understand the money money money....but if his sole focus is on basketball. Then I'm out.


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[JSHoosier 20,939]

6 minutes ago, lucel15 said:

I agree with all the money makers.....however I don't want a new AD to come in and just focus on basketball. I understand the money money money....but if his sole focus is on basketball. Then I'm out.


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It can't be his sole focus, but he can't mishandle the most visible program in the department.

[Cryoniclime 2]

All we wanted was to be Kentucky, kansas, duke. Great at basketball first and foremost and if there's success elsewhere then that's a plus. Glass turned us into Iowa or Minnesota. Turning the school into being "meh" in all sports, instead of just bad. Going 6-6 twice just to lose in both bowl games. Going to College world series only to have the coach leave and currently going back to the mediocre team they were before? Women's basketball going from last to 2 places up from last. This is all somehow preferable to the basketball team, the one thing we take pride in the most, gets turned into a shell of itself?

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[lucel15 3,052]

I agree with all the money makers.....however I don't want a new AD to come in and just focus on basketball. I understand the money money money....but if his sole focus is on basketball. Then I'm out.


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[Alford Bailey 12,461]

3 minutes ago, Cryoniclime said:

All we wanted was to be Kentucky, kansas, duke. Great at basketball first and foremost and if there's success elsewhere then that's a plus. Glass turned us into Iowa or Minnesota. Turning the school into being "meh" in all sports, instead of just bad. Going 6-6 twice just to lose in both bowl games. Going to College world series only to have the coach leave and currently going back to the mediocre team they were before? Women's basketball going from last to 2 places up from last. This is all somehow preferable to the basketball team, the one thing we take pride in the most, gets turned into a shell of itself?

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You forgot soccer. Glass has proven he will fire coaches not sure he has proven he can hire better replacements yet.

[lucel15 3,052]

All we wanted was to be Kentucky, kansas, duke. Great at basketball first and foremost and if there's success elsewhere then that's a plus. Glass turned us into Iowa or Minnesota. Turning the school into being "meh" in all sports, instead of just bad. Going 6-6 twice just to lose in both bowl games. Going to College world series only to have the coach leave and currently going back to the mediocre team they were before? Women's basketball going from last to 2 places up from last. This is all somehow preferable to the basketball team, the one thing we take pride in the most, gets turned into a shell of itself?

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So we can't take pride or build pride in football. Let alone other programs.... Again I understand the whole basketball pride thing and the history in basketball. I don't want crean just like most of us on here right now....just bring knight back. You can't turn around the most losing football program in history of college football in a timely fashion. At least with Wilson everything was looking up year to year besides this last year where I think he under preformed....weird play calling. I think that progress will continue with Allen and I'm glad he didn't have a search for a new coach.


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[schoosier 3,545]

1 hour ago, lucel15 said:

Question? I can see why people want Fred gone. However, my question to those people....yes the whole crean thing has gone down a bad bad rabbit hole....but why fire glass yeah maybe he hasn't handled things the way we think they should be handled....Wilson firing...or player problems....however he's done a lot to help all of Athletics.... I understand IU is a basketball school. However we have 24teams and I think he has done a heck of a lot more than Greenspan, who I think was a cancer for the department. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers.... Just posting to see if I'm off base with this thought process. Tough loss today....however I think we all can say the truck stick today was hilarious.


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Are you familiar with the contract he gave Crean? For accomplishing what? Did you read my quotes from Glass? He actually believes Crean is good at X's and O's, and he stated it publicly like he is some basketball savant he is not. His deep involvement and fandom of Crean does not give him the impartiality to see thru his rose colored glasses. Also, his handling of Wilson is inconsistent with someone I want running our athletic programs. He needs to go back into law and become the true Crean fan he is. 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,498]

5 minutes ago, lucel15 said:

I agree with all the money makers.....however I don't want a new AD to come in and just focus on basketball. I understand the money money money....but if his sole focus is on basketball. Then I'm out.


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Basketball is what makes IU though.. We have a brand that is rivaled by very few in college sports. More people probably show up to watch the basketball team practice at Hoosier Hysteria than stay past halftime to watch the football team for some games. We're never going to be an Ohio State or an Alabama in football, but we can be their equivalent in basketball. I think it would be a mistake to put basketball on the back burner to embrace the '24 sports/1 team' motto. 

[mdn82 25,628]

Are you familiar with the contract he gave Crean? For accomplishing what? Did you read my quotes from Glass? He actually believes Crean is good at X's and O's, and he stated it publicly like he is some basketball savant he is not. His deep involvement and fandom of Crean does not give him the impartiality to see thru his rose colored glasses. Also, his handling of Wilson is inconsistent with someone I want running our athletic programs. He needs to go back into law and become the true Crean fan he is. 

He gave it to him for bringing our program back from death and Crean getting boosters to buy in to the program. Cook Hall isn't a given without Crean. Neither are the renovations of AH (over $50 million). Or the renovations to MS. There are core measures for these coaches outside of W-L. Crean sold the general public on restoring tradition. "It's Indiana". We had the number 1 team coming off a Sweet 16. Recruiting had picked up with the movement being signed before the UNC game when it was announced. Crean was young. In hindsight it was the wrong move. At the time, there was interest from the NBA. It wasn't outlandish to many. Those types of extensions happen all the time. He has his chance to get it right. If the move isn't done this year I think he effectively tied his fate to Crean's.


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[lucel15 3,052]

Are you familiar with the contract he gave Crean? For accomplishing what? Did you read my quotes from Glass? He actually believes Crean is good at X's and O's, and he stated it publicly like he is some basketball savant he is not. His deep involvement and fandom of Crean does not give him the impartiality to see thru his rose colored glasses. Also, his handling of Wilson is inconsistent with someone I want running our athletic programs. He needs to go back into law and become the true Crean fan he is. 

Yes I am very familiar. He has to bite his tongue on the extension and contract but everyone was head over heels for crean when he made his run. Everyone thought we were in the right direction. I never wanted crean. I have never once said I supported crean. I'm just making a case for the Athletics as a whole.


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[schoosier 3,545]

43 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

He gave it to him for bringing our program back from death and Crean getting boosters to buy in to the program. Cook Hall isn't a given without Crean. Neither are the renovations of AH (over $50 million). Or the renovations to MS. There are core measures for these coaches outside of W-L. Crean sold the general public on restoring tradition. "It's Indiana". We had the number 1 team coming off a Sweet 16. Recruiting had picked up with the movement being signed before the UNC game when it was announced. Crean was young. In hindsight it was the wrong move. At the time, there was interest from the NBA. It wasn't outlandish to many. Those types of extensions happen all the time. He has his chance to get it right. If the move isn't done this year I think he effectively tied his fate to Crean's.


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The contract was outlandish and ignorant to many including myself. Just take a look at Roy Williams latest contract as a contrast. His latest inked him up until 2020 and was finalized in 2015. So you have a twice national championship coach, one of the winningest in the game; and he gets an additional 5 years. Now you have Crean who hadn't even taken us to a final four get 10 years? That is insane and totally out of line even compared to one of the best in the game. This falls on Glass, and Creans buyout has kept him from making a move that should have been done three years earlier. Also, I believe it's short sighted to say he is responsible for Cook Hall or the Assembly Hall renovations. They would have happened without him. Show me any coach in college basketball with a contract like Creans; especially on with a little over .500 win percentage. This is Glass's baby thru and thru and he needs to fall on his sword for signing off on it.

[schoosier 3,545]

52 minutes ago, lucel15 said:

Yes I am very familiar. He has to bite his tongue on the extension and contract but everyone was head over heels for crean when he made his run. Everyone thought we were in the right direction. I never wanted crean. I have never once said I supported crean. I'm just making a case for the Athletics as a whole.


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You are judged by your flagship programs and Glass has failed miserably. He gets to bite his tongue while Crean can't even get to .500 in his career Big 10 games. Many have gone the same route and you only need to look at Texas football as a great example. Glass is responsible for the contract good, bad, or indifferent. I have zero faith he will do the right thing based on his quotes, and I certainly don't think he should be in charge of the next hire. I would have the president involved although his Aussie roots probably proclude him from really understanding what Indiana basketball is all about. At least he's not named Myles Brand though lol.