Pete Diprimio article on Subbing.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Nice article. And thoughts?

Crean talks himself in circles.

http://www.news-sentinel.com/sports/iu/It-s-complicated---IU-s-Tom-Crean-and-the-art-of-subbing

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Maybe I didn't sell this enough. Lol. Everyone should read this.

It's interesting.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

I read it but I still don't understand his patterns.  I think he 'Asks Alexa' for subbing advice. 

[Str8Hoosiers]

Interesting but I don't see much truth in any of it....

He says it is based on logic... I guess his logic is MUCH different than mine (and the majority of the fanbase)

He says it isn't pre-planned but based on the flow of the game (Not the same games I am watching)

Its a 40 minute game, and college players are young men, they are not going to hit that wall by playing 36 minutes but not hit the wall by playing 30.... they can power through those last 6 minutes, and on a good night when they are on fire the adrenaline will carry them for 40.....

The 1 part I agree with is he says he isn't living in the moment, play by play... We can all see that.... he thinks he is thinking long term for the end of the game but the plays at the 8 minute mark are just as important as the 1 minute mark (Not always but you get my point).

[Hoosierfan2017]

I think I understood Crean's substitutions more before I read the article than after I did lol.

I disagree completely with him, though, when he said "I know what happens when they hit that wall. We have to make sure they don’t hit that wall. Get them that rest so we can put them back in and they’ll be good. We have a 40-minute game minimum. We’re not living in the moment as much as it's play by play. We still have to plan ahead for the end of the game.”

You work on that during off season conditioning. During preseason conditioning. These guys are 18-22 years old. This isn't the NBA where they are playing back-to-backs. They get 2-3 days between games at a minimum. There are NBA players their age putting up 35 minutes a night, 82 nights a year. There's no reason our starters shouldn't be able to give 32-35 minutes a game, and honestly I think they feel the same way. Players want to be out there playing as much as possible, and there's a good chance his methods hurt us with the top recruits. They're not coming to college to play 20-25 minutes a night. Having fresh players doesn't help us when they're spending half the game on the bench. 

[biteoftheapple]

I might believe they weren't preplanned when he does not refer to his notes constantly. We see note cards and a library of papers within his fingertips.

[Plasticjimmyhat]

Subbing players who just made a big play, or on fire, out of the game makes no sense to me. Playing McSwain during key moments of the game confound me as well. If I had hair, I would never have it come March because of these questionable substitutions!

[HoosierAloha]

There's so much to that article that is Crean to a T. I can't break it down on my phone but will try later on. This is an area a good assistant could tell him to make the obvious substitution and quit trying to outthink the room.

[mdn82]

I am sorry, but when he said he goes by the feel of the game he lost me. His feel sucks for in game coaching if that is what he goes off of. At some points you have to quit trying to reinvent the wheel. Ready for his time to be done.


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[Alford Bailey]

Good grief! How can anybody understand that? He makes this game way more difficult than it needs to be.

[BGleas]

He said it's paint by numbers...

[Uwe Robb]

Who leads our team in min played per game?


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[OliviaPope40]

2 minutes ago, Uwe Robb said:

Who leads our team in min played per game?


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As of right now Blackmon. 

[brandct]

3 minutes ago, Uwe Robb said:

Who leads our team in min played per game?


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Blackmon has 470

Bryant 458

Johnson 437

Newkirk 429

 

[Uwe Robb]

How many other teams in the country have their 3 best players averaging 25 min a game? Best player 26 min a game? What is scary is the fact that Newkirk is even on that list.


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[Alford Bailey]

7 minutes ago, Uwe Robb said:

How many other teams in the country have their 3 best players averaging 25 min a game? Best player 26 min a game? What is scary is the fact that Newkirk is even on that list.


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You dont want a guy to hit that wall......

[bnkepner]

Ive just come to accept the fact that I don't and will never understand his thinking behind substitutions.
Takes guys out when they get hot. Sometimes sits guy most of the second half after having a great first half. It happened too many times with Zeisloft, happened a lot in today's game even.

[Uwe Robb]

You dont want a guy to hit that wall......

Crean needs to find the difference between hitting the wall and barely breaking a sweat.


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[HoosierTrav]

This article just furthers my belief in the rumors that Crean is an ego maniac. I can't imagine that in 19 years, not a single person close to Crean has suggested to abandon his subbing strategy. I can't think of a single championship caliber coach to have success with this strategy. For being a guy that pays such close attention to advanced statistics, he sure misses some very obvious stats that clearly highlight deficiency. I wish he would stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Zero in on what the greats are doing and replicate the process. Seems as though he's not as committed to growing and improving at the rate he expects of his players.

[LockdownD]

I understand about having "fresh legs" for the game, but I think being sent to the bench when you're scoring and/ or making defensive stops would be frustrating to a player!  A couple of years ago, Troy was in the middle of a good spell.  He was fouled in the act of shooting.  He hits his first free throw and sees that coach is making a substitution.  I can't remember who was waiting to come in for him after he was to hit the second shot, but it never happened.  He bricked the second and game continued.  It wasn't the right thing to do, but I understand why he did it.  

I'm of the opinion that if a player causes an unforced turnover, substituting that player out for a brief period would help restore them physically and mentally.  As many turnovers as this team makes, there should be plenty of opportunity to sub out ; thus, avoid hitting the wall.