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Analysis: Who would be on your Indiana University basketball equivalent of Mount Rushmore?


IndyHutch
  • Indiana basketball fans are always looking for something to debate. And this is a topic that promises to evoke a wide range of opinion. If you could only pick four faces to put on the Indiana Basketball equivalent of Mount Rushmore, which four would make the cut? Here is my list. What have you got?

I love to have fun with summer blog topics. When they involve Indiana University basketball it just makes it that much better because you know that IU basketball fans are dying for something to talk about.

I used this one years ago while I was at the Indianapolis Star and I got a zillion responses. OK, maybe not a zillion but I think it was more than 100 replies which for me was well over the Mendoza Line.

The topic: If you were to build a Mount Rushmore for Indiana University basketball, what four faces would be on the side of that mountain?

I think the first thing you would have to decide is whether you were talking all of Indiana basketball or just the players? Because if coaches were a part of the equation there would clearly be one and possibly two IU basketball coaches on Mount Hoosier.

Because I think there are arguments on both sides of that debate, I’m going to cop out. Let’s come up with two lists. One will be without any qualifiers and the other will be a players only final four.

If you could select any four individuals to be on the Indiana basketball equivalent of Mount Rushmore, I would think the four would be Bob Knight, Branch McCracken, Calbert Cheaney and (drum roll please) … Don Schlundt.

I can already see some of you rolling your eyes. “Don Who?”. If you haven’t read my latest Indiana basketball book, Hoosiers Through and Through, I would suggest you do so and see why I ranked Schlundt as the greatest player in Indiana basketball history from the state of Indiana.

Schlundt was a three-time All-American who had a career average of 23.3 points per game and ranks as the third leading scorer in IU history. He played on the 1953 national championship team. He was an absolute stud. He may not have gotten all the notoriety he deserved later because he died at an early age but anyone who is an Indiana basketball historian would put Schlundt at the very least in the conversation for that mountain.

In my opinion, the first three are no-brainers. Bob Knight was 618-220 in 29 seasons at IU and won 11 Big Ten titles and three national championships. In those 29 years, Knight led IU to the NCAA Tournament 24 times. In 21 of those seasons, IU won at least 20 games in a year. You couldn’t have a legitimate Mount Rushmore of IU basketball and not have Knight’s face on the side of the mountain.

And the reality is Knight and McCracken are probably 1A and 1B. McCracken led IU to its first two national championships and earned national coach of the year in both of those seasons. His teams averaged 18.5 wins per year and he recorded the first four 20-win seasons in IU history. He was at IU 24 seasons and led the Hoosiers to a 364-174 record.

All Cheaney did was average 19.8 points per game in his four-year career and finish his career as the all-time leading scorer in both Indiana and Big Ten history. He scored 2,613 points, one of five IU players in history to eclipse the 2,000 point scoring mark. The only knock on Cheaney that could take him out of the argument for being on that mountain is the fact he never played on a national championship team. He was on two teams that many believed could have hung a banner but one lost to Duke in the Final Four and the other saw its chances of a title evaporate when Alan Henderson suffered a knee injury late in the Big Ten season.

So I would go with those three and Schlundt.

Now there are several other former IU players that could be considered for that fourth and final spot. I’ll take a look at a few of them when I make up my all-player Mount Rushmore equivalent for IU basketball.

If I were to take a stab at an all-player mountain my list would look like this: Cheaney, Schlundt, Scott May and either Isiah Thomas or Steve Alford. I’m sure you could make a case for players like George McGinnis, Kent Benson or even Damon Bailey just because of his legendary status in Indiana basketball lore.

The reason I think May would have to be on the list is that he was the college basketball player of the year on the last unbeaten national champion. And there are few IU basketball fans around who don’t think the Hoosiers would have won it in ’75, too, if May hadn’t gotten injured.

That final spot, though, is a tough one. Many people believe Thomas was the best player who ever played at IU. He’s got a national championship ring and is a big reason the Hoosiers were able to put up their fourth national championship banner in 1981.

And then there’s Alford. He is Indiana’s second all-time leading scorer and led the Hoosiers to the 1987 national championship. And the truth is if the 3-point line had been in play for all four of Alford’s seasons he would have likely ended up as IU’s all-time leading scorer. Instead, he only had it for one season, the 1986-87 year when it was used on an experimental basis. Alford was 107-for-202 that season from beyond the arc, 53 percent.

Still, if I had to choose I would probably go with Cheaney, Schlundt, May and Thomas on my all players equivalent of Mount Rushmore.

So those are my picks. I’m sure many of you will have a completely different list. And with something like this there are no wrong answers, just a lot of good water cooler talk as fans debate the best of the best in IU history.

So with that in mind, bring it on.

@IndySportsHutch

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Well been watching IU basketball since the 70s. Since so many greats to choose from I'm just going with what I've seen.  The players' only Rushmore I have to go with Cheaney, Alford, Isiah, and May.  Everyone of these guys were the reason why IU won a national championship while they were there except for Cheaney.  There is no way that you can leave IU's leading scorer off on IU's Rushmore.  Plus I was attending IU during Cheaney's years.  It was so much fun watching him and all his teammates play in the early 90s. 

 

The all that was involved Rushmore I have to go with of course the no brainer Knight.  I'm keeping Alford, Cheaney and May.  I have an honorable mention which is Joby Wright.  I think that he had a lot to do with the success of the Hoosiers in the 80s.  Also he was a stud player for the Hoosiers.   

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Eh, really? VO>>>>>>Zeller.

. Oladipo was certainly a better pro prospect but Zeller was hands down the most important player and best player on those two teams. He was great the second he stepped on the floor. Oladipo was meh for 2/3 of his IU career.

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While I agree with your premise here. Victor was a fan favorite from day 1. He hit the floor ready to play defense, run the floor, hustle. And since then, who was drafted first, who had made an impact at the next level?

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While I agree with your premise here. Victor was a fan favorite from day 1. He hit the floor ready to play defense, run the floor, hustle. And since then, who was drafted first, who had made an impact at the next level?

 

I really think you are overselling Oladipo he was great and all but fan favorite from Day 1.  Not really Zeller on the other hand was a fan favorite the day he committed to us.  And this is about college ball, you can't be taking their pro careers into account.  Remember Alford our hero was drafted in the second round. 

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I really think you are overselling Oladipo he was great and all but fan favorite from Day 1.  Not really Zeller on the other hand was a fan favorite the day he committed to us.  And this is about college ball, you can't be taking their pro careers into account.  Remember Alford our hero was drafted in the second round. 

 

In terms of how they were perceived when they arrived on campus, Zeller was considered the savior and the day he signed it was like the pied piper in terms of the number of other players who committed very shortly after that. Guys like Yogi, Devin Davis and Collin Hartman, not to mention other players in The Movement.

 

Oladipo was ranked No. 142 in his class or something. He and Sheehey were both in that range and Crean took a lot of flack for the two unknowns in that two-man class.

 

So I still think I'd give Zeller the edge ultimately between the two in terms of perceived impact and then also the things he did on a consistent basis for his two seasons of college.

 

Now, the fact that either would be considered for an IU basketball Mount Rushmore is beyond me. There have been simply too many great players in IU history for either of them to make a four-man cut IMO.

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In terms of how they were perceived when they arrived on campus, Zeller was considered the savior and the day he signed it was like the pied piper in terms of the number of other players who committed very shortly after that. Guys like Yogi, Devin Davis and Collin Hartman, not to mention other players in The Movement.

 

Oladipo was ranked No. 142 in his class or something. He and Sheehey were both in that range and Crean took a lot of flack for the two unknowns in that two-man class.

 

So I still think I'd give Zeller the edge ultimately between the two in terms of perceived impact and then also the things he did on a consistent basis for his two seasons of college.

 

Now, the fact that either would be considered for an IU basketball Mount Rushmore is beyond me. There have been simply too many great players in IU history for either of them to make a four-man cut IMO.

 

Agreed about either being considered.  Zeller maybe if we had won a national championship or if he had stayed 3 years. 

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I'd have to go Knight, May, Zeke, Alford, Calbert.

Agree with those saying that Zeller and VO shouldn't really even be considered. Just not enough winning. I think you have to at least have gotten to a Final Four in this discussion. I'll be honest, I really thought Zeller was going to be a 4-year guy. Not because he wasn't good enough to leave early, he certainly was, but I thought he was going to be Crean's "Hansbrough" so to speak. A guy that just loves college basketball so much, and loves his university so much, that he wants to stay and savor every moment.

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame him for leaving by any means, just thought he was going to be different/special.

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Agreed about either being considered.  Zeller maybe if we had won a national championship or if he had stayed 3 years. 

This but can't blame him for taking all that cold hard cash and that price tag is $4,204,200.00. 

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This but can't blame him for taking all that cold hard cash and that price tag is $4,204,200.00. 

 

Nah the draft class the next year was stacked and too hard to tell how the class 2 years down the line was going to play out.  Who knows how much money he could have lost staying 2 more years in college. 

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Nah the draft class the next year was stacked and too hard to tell how the class 2 years down the line was going to play out.  Who knows how much money he could have lost staying 2 more years in college. 

I remember somebody saying that Jared Sullinger lost out on more money by staying a 2nd year.

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I remember somebody saying that Jared Sullinger lost out on more money by staying a 2nd year.

Sully went down because teams were worried about his back. But so far it hasn't been an issue that I know of. Zeller was going to be a lottery pick whether he left after his freshman or sophomore year. The media hit him pretty hard whenever possible so he could have fell from staying a 3rd year.

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Sully went down because teams were worried about his back. But so far it hasn't been an issue that I know of. Zeller was going to be a lottery pick whether he left after his freshman or sophomore year. The media hit him pretty hard whenever possible so he could have fell from staying a 3rd year.

True he could of and makes us all wonder what if.

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