TOM CREAN FIRED

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Here's my thing w/ Donovan. The only way I really think conversations have been had is if Donovan's agent knows he wants to return to college. At that point his agent would be having discussions with people. I don't think this Indiana job can sway a NBA coach who is enjoying his time in the NBA. Only way it happens in my opinion is if Donovan is done and wants to go back to college, then Indiana would be near the top of open jobs for him.


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3 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Yeah that's what I meant.

Anyone on this board hoping for Billy Donovan doesn't need to be reminded that it's a bit of a long shot, or that we aren't Fred Glass or Michael McRobbie.  That's not exactly going out on a limb haha.

Lol yeah it's not going out on a limb by any means. But damn it we can hope!

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http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/02/23/nc-state-indiana-coaching-carousel

Says 80% chance job opens not that Crean will be fired. Idk if this has been posted yet. At work and saw on twitter. Trying to be the good news fairy.

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1 hour ago, Double Down said:

Hey everyone!  I'm deifnitely a lurker around here and have appreciated some of the excellent thoughts that this community has put together around the current status of the Indiana Hoops program and the man at the top of the pyramid.  I had a long discussion over email with a friend about this and thought I would throw this post out here to get some ideas from you guys on it.  I'm no swami, I could be wrong, but would LOVE to get feedback from you guys.

I’m fairly certain we’re seeing the last games of Crean on the sidelines at Assembly Hall this year. So, this is the time Indiana’s AD and President need to decide if Indiana is going to be a competitive program, or a championship program.

Firstly, college basketball is like World War II. It is all about the Generals. As we’ve been mobilizing here at home, let’s call Glass our Gen George Marshall, as he builds up our infrastructure so that we can compete with facilities, a strong financial backing (for basketball), B1G’s largest recruiting budget and focused vision that our fanbase/alumni can rally around (the latter will only happen when we find our ultimate general to rally around). Our two decades-long isolationism led to our serious under-preparedness and our former long-time rivals have rearmed and are wrecking havoc throughout the Pacific and Europe. We’ve stuck our heads in the sand, proud of graduation rates, lack of NCAA sanctions and values that align more with the "underdog" values demonstrated in a great movie that came out in the 80’s (the one with Gene Hackman, not Dennis Quade–although that was ’79, either way).

In particular, one of our foes, after falling into the abyss of sanctions from Versailles, the hired an Erwin Rommel-type Field General in the name of John Calipari. We loath how he changed the soul of the game, finding moral superiority over his unethical and soulless one and done cynicism. While we pulled out of the field of head to head battle, Calipari continues to obliterate the competition around him. While some of our fans argue about whether 2 B1G championships in 4 years is impressive, Cal has 1 Championship, an NCAA runner up, 3 FFs and got past the Elite 8 in 5 of his 7 years. He’s landing in North Africa and we have to find someone who can lead our Hoosiers and beat him….in a campaign! Not just one game. You can’t watch a segment of NBA highlights on Sportscenter without seeing one of his players who’s gone through his program at Kentucky. While some Hoosier fans will pound their chest over Oladipo, Zeller and Vonleh….and undrafted Yogi and Troy Williams (yay!!! He won the D-league dunk contest!!! Retweet!!!).

In the Pacific (sorry, the direct analogy is going to break down a bit, so bare with me), we have a long-time Military leader, who is a brilliant strategist and a tough commander who learned under one of the long-time great Generals (the man we call "The General"). But, as new technology and culture has changed, he’s adjusted his game to embrace these changes.  He also sees the need to embrace being an attraction for talent. Due to his incredible basketball IQ and long-time credibility, he doesn’t quite need the level of talent Cal does to get the job done. But with this adjustment, he’s managed to take over rivals throughout Asia and the Pacific. The sun doesn’t set. Since 2008, he’s hung 2 banners, and reached the Swt 16 6 times.

What Indiana needs to compete for banners, isn’t a “solid, good/to very good coach”. We need a MacArthur. We need a guy who, when we destroy your face, stands a foot tall over your leader who just surrendered to you. We need someone elite who has earned that 5th star on their shoulders. We need someone who can square up and strike fear into the hearts of the generals who have put our current program under their boot.

Solid, good/to very good coaches are guys like the following:

Bennett
Bo Ryan-Gard
Alford
Marshall
Smart
Younger Miller
Few
Drew

MacArthurs:

Stevens
Donovan

The likelihood of Stevens coming home to Indiana as his Celtics are building a powerhouse in the East, is extremely unlikely. Too bad we couldn’t realize that while he was beating the pants off of Crean’s best team in 2012. So, off to Boston he went to the NBA version of the Hoosiers with their history. A meteor hitting Boston while he’s out of town might be the only scenario where Stevens is in Bloomington next year.

It all comes down to Donovan. He’s likely to lose Westbrook soon (perhaps the Lakers?). There’s not much left after that. If the man could live in Gainesville and Oklahoma City for 2 decades, Bloomington would seem like Shangri-La. But we’re going to have to pay up. And we can. This is why we have box seats at Assembly Hall now. If only we could find a way to charge people for tailgating during football season, we might have some extra cash to throw around.

If we end up looking for the next up-and-comer, we risk hiring the next Matt Doherty, Bill Guthridge or Billie Gillespie….or Tom Crean. It’ll could be years before we can assess where their ceiling is in terms of competing for national championships. And Indiana becomes more and more irrelevant on the national stage again if 3-4 years later, we find they're not quite the guy can bring the banners home. As fans, we’ll be arguing about recruiting failures, inbounds plays, substitution patterns and awkward net cutting ceremonies, vs how hanging banner #6 will screw with the symmetry of the north-end of AH.

We need someone who’s established themselves to be a MacArthur already. The only one who would even be slightly available (MacArthurs are always in high demand), in my view is, Donovan.

It’ll take a herculean effort to get him to Bloomington, but it can be done. Is Glass the right guy to do it? If he manages to pull it off, there will be a statue of him somewhere on our campus. If not, Glass may end up going back into practicing law. Better Call Fred!

 

 

Agree with everything you've said except the inclusion of Smart and Alford in the good coaches list. Smart hasn't shown anything at Texas and many people think his style of play is a gimmick. Alford, I have no idea why people keep bringing his name up. He's riding talent and talent alone this year. Otherwise solid post man!

[AKHoosier 6,608]

20 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/02/23/nc-state-indiana-coaching-carousel

Says 80% chance job opens not that Crean will be fired. Idk if this has been posted yet. At work and saw on twitter. Trying to be the good news fairy.

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Yet another writer linking Alford to IU, and he mentions Alford's high buyout that would potentially keep him from coming back here.

Yeah, that's not what's stopping us from pursuing him.

[schoosier 3,445]

To the original poster, look up Eddie Fogler. He gets paid to do exactly what you say doesn't occur. 

[kottke 766]

Article about Tony Bennett not being a good fit for IU's coach. Sorry if already posted:

http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2017/2/23/14684052/tony-bennett-virginia-indiana-coaching-rumors

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1 minute ago, kottke said:

Article about Tony Bennett not being a good fit for IU's coach. Sorry if already posted:

http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2017/2/23/14684052/tony-bennett-virginia-indiana-coaching-rumors

To save people time, much of it says Bennett is a bad fit because his teams only play one offensive style.  The author obviously doesn't like Virginia's pace.  Personally, I couldn't possibly care less about pace.

Tom Crean's teams only play one style too:  fast, faster, and hey look another turnover.

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1 minute ago, JSHoosier said:

To save people time, much of it says Bennett is a bad fit because his teams only play one offensive style.  The author obviously doesn't like Virginia's pace.  Personally, I couldn't possibly care less about pace.

Tom Crean's teams only play one style too:  fast, faster, and hey look another turnover.

 

Agreed. I couldn't care less about his pace either. I just want IU to be great again.

[JSHoosier 19,611]

3 minutes ago, kottke said:

Agreed. I couldn't care less about his pace either. I just want IU to be great again.

You just have to have more points than the other team when the game ends, there are no style points.

[Brass Cannon 24,069]

1 hour ago, IU Hoosier41 said:

Here's my thing w/ Donovan. The only way I really think conversations have been had is if Donovan's agent knows he wants to return to college. At that point his agent would be having discussions with people. I don't think this Indiana job can sway a NBA coach who is enjoying his time in the NBA. Only way it happens in my opinion is if Donovan is done and wants to go back to college, then Indiana would be near the top of open jobs for him.


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It does seem like the rumblings that Donovan was unhappy preceded the rumors we were talking. Which is good, since we are the premier job available according to si 

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To save people time, much of it says Bennett is a bad fit because his teams only play one offensive style.  The author obviously doesn't like Virginia's pace.  Personally, I couldn't possibly care less about pace.

Tom Crean's teams only play one style too:  fast, faster, and hey look another turnover.

Good point and i haven't followed Bennett close enough to say but just going by the article i dont want to be slow all the time like a Wisconsin. Indiana should be able to play slow and fast as needed. Can teams not push the ball and still be able to run offense in the half court and use clock anymore lol

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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

If IU doesn't fire Tom Crean, hopefully they mutually part ways with him. 

Would bet all of my money Crean would never be fired from Indiana. If they want him gone it will be announced as a mutual split.


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You just have to have more points than the other team when the game ends, there are no style points.

I agree and maybe at IU Bennett would get the players to achieve this, however at Virginia he's a guy I don't ever see winning it all simply because he doesn't score enough points. You're seeing it this year. Yeah he holds team to 20 pts in some halfs but he also is only scoring 20. Getting deep in the tourney that won't get it done.

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Would bet all of my money Crean would never be fired from Indiana. If they want him gone it will be announced as a mutual split.


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Why would that matter? Window dressing?


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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Why would that matter? Window dressing?


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1. It's not Fred's way of doing things
2. Crean doesn't deserve to be fired for his performance at IU. It would have been a great ride for 95% of college ball teams out there. It's just not enough at IU.

You can't fire Crean based on his recent performance over the last 5 years. You have to part ways because you don't think the future will get any better.


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Not sure about all the WWII analogies but I agree with your point about the coaches. I am of the opinion IU should hire the absolute best coach that will take the job.

Obviously, the next great coach is out there somewhere, laboring in relative obscurity. Let someone else find him. I want the proven winner.

I thought I was trapped in a game of Risk!

[MikeRoberts 6,838]

1. It's not Fred's way of doing things
2. Crean doesn't deserve to be fired for his performance at IU. It would have been a great ride for 95% of college ball teams out there. It's just not enough at IU.

You can't fire Crean based on his recent performance over the last 5 years. You have to part ways because you don't think the future will get any better.


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What? You can absolutely fire Crean for his performance over the past five years. He isn't even making the NIT in 2/5...


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Would bet all of my money Crean would never be fired from Indiana. If they want him gone it will be announced as a mutual split.


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Yep. He will never get fired period.

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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Who needs an actual human interim coach? Borrow an orange volleyball, paint a face on it, and call it Coach Wilson. It can sit on a chair at one end of the bench. Don't use timeouts other than the TV breaks, during which the team can play rock/paper/scissors to see who subs in. If a guy wins two out of three from a player who was in the game, he replaces that player. The player who scored the most recent points is exempt and gets to stay in but must come out at the next stoppage of play (replacement's name drawn from a hat). In the event the other team uses a timeout of their own, the IU players play knockout, with the winner getting to jack up a contested three on the next possession.

It couldn't be any worse than what we have.

Greatest first post in Btownbanners history???


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