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(2017) PF Clifton Moore Jr. to IU

By ccgeneral, in Indiana Men's Basketball

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Stuhoo    82,142

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11 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Moore certainly is a potential matchup nightmare with that length.

He is a 3-4 in playing style. Same with Wilkes and Smith.

Maybe we just say "screw conventions, we running with 5 wings in the floor".

Is Moore our backup for Wilkes?


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Not the entire story, doc.

Moore is a 3/4 on offense.

On the defensive end, he projects as a 4 until he gains some weight, and after a year or two of camp Lionel, I've gotta imagine he could guard most 5s. Maybe not a 280 guy like Haas, but pretty much any other 5 once he gets up to 225+.

Besides, he's an athletic kid with a good jumpshot and an even better handle for his size, he's on the rise in the eyes of many coaches (not an MSB-style drastic overreach), and he's academically outstanding.

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WayneFleekHoosier    48,793

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Not the entire story, doc.

Moore is a 3/4 on offense.

On the defensive end, he projects as a 4 until he gains some weight, and after a year or two of camp Lionel, I've gotta imagine he could guard most 5s. Maybe not a 280 guy like Haas, but pretty much any other 5 once he gets up to 225+.

Besides, he's an athletic kid with a good jumpshot and an even better handle for his size, he's on the rise in the eyes of many coaches (not an MSB-style drastic overreach), and he's academically outstanding.


I wasn't knocking him and you are correct. But his coach said he doesn't want to be guarding 5s.

That is why I said 3-4. A 3-4 on offense and a 3-4 on D. Great weak side shot blocking ability.

He intrigues me. Part of me wants this kid if we had space.


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Stuhoo    82,142

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3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:


I wasn't knocking him and you are correct. But his coach said he doesn't want to be guarding 5s.

That is why I said 3-4. A 3-4 on offense and a 3-4 on D. Great weak side shot blocking ability.

He intrigues me. Part of me wants this kid if we had space.


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I just don't see us getting an instant impact freshman big, and I think that Deng Gak gives me way too many Hanner-flashbacks; I prefer Moore to Gak.

My question is, will we have room for Moore and a 5th year wider-body? That'd be my preference.

 

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WayneFleekHoosier    48,793

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I just don't see us getting an instant impact freshman big, and I think that Deng Gak gives me way too many Hanner-flashbacks; I prefer Moore to Gak.

My question is, will we have room for Moore and a 5th year wider-body? That'd be my preference.

 


Tis True. Now that the 5 star options are out of picture, this is sounding pretty good. Agree with Gak worry. Wish we had more to gauge though. No sample with mop up minutes.


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Stuhoo    82,142

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18 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:


Tis True. Now that the 5 star options are out of picture, this is sounding pretty good. Agree with Gak worry. Wish we had more to gauge though. No sample with mop up minutes.


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And, for those who gravitate toward rankings, Moore and Gak aren't all that far apart anymore, though admittedly, Gak's offer list seems to be better (unless the high-end programs are all slow-playing him).

 

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HoosierAloha    30,077

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This is where Crean's recruiting baffles me. Durham gave his verbal in October (I think) and then he went out and got two guards for the 2016 class. I understand getting a guard or two if one is an instant impact guy. I don't understand signing three decent to good guards in one class and then having another commit in the following class that is just solid.

If all those guards aren't signed/committed we have the option to get a guy like Moore plus push for another big. I highly doubt it happens but there's potential for 8 guards on the roster in '17-'18. That's goofy and terrible roster balance.

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Walking Boot of Doom    18,170

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This is where Crean's recruiting baffles me. Durham gave his verbal in October (I think) and then he went out and got two guards for the 2016 class. I understand getting a guard or two if one is an instant impact guy. I don't understand signing three decent to good guards in one class and then having another commit in the following class that is just solid.

If all those guards aren't signed/committed we have the option to get a guy like Moore plus push for another big. I highly doubt it happens but there's potential for 8 guards on the roster in '17-'18. That's goofy and terrible roster balance.


Crean clearly recruits a type of player, regardless of position. We saw that cause serious issues in 2014 with Vonleh's team, but otherwise it's working for him. I think there's a lot of uncertainty around JBJ and who will take on the PG role, and for an offense that's driven mainly from the wings/perimeter/transition, that's a pretty daunting question mark. He must also be very confident in DD and Morgan's ability to defend the 5 over the next few years.


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HoosierAloha    30,077

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Crean clearly recruits a type of player, regardless of position. We saw that cause serious issues in 2014 with Vonleh's team, but otherwise it's working for him. I think there's a lot of uncertainty around JBJ and who will take on the PG role, and for an offense that's driven mainly from the wings/perimeter/transition, that's a pretty daunting question mark. He must also be very confident in DD and Morgan's ability to defend the 5 over the next few years.


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My only worry is "taller players" wishing to play on the wing and not in the post, the 4 (for some players), or the 5 (for some other players) and it coming back to bite Crean and the staff. If Moore says he doesn't want to play the 5 but we stick him at the 5 because we don't have a backup that could ruin it for future recruits. The same goes for wings not wanting to play the 4.

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hoosierpap    14,300

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6 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Called the "Noah Vonleh Conundrum".

Although he shouldn't complain as it worked out pretty well for him.

I think the issue there was he told the staff 2 years then left.


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He reclassed to go a year early. I don't think the staff was under that impression.

 

 

 

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WayneFleekHoosier    48,793

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He reclassed to go a year early. I don't think the staff was under that impression.

 

 

 

I think the staff thought, in part, due to the reclass he would be a 2 year player. They certainly weren't prepared for him to leave. That tells me a lot.

It may not have been expressly discussed during recruiting but everything tells me they expected 1 more year from him.

Edit- my wording sucked in first post with "he said".

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