College Football Thread

[Hoosier Guy]

28 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Wow, some crazy games today.  LSU dominates Georgia (no worries, they'll still find a way to get a second $EC team into the playoffs).  Penn State slips up at home to MSU after MSU lost to Northwestern at home.  Northwestern almost loses to a terrible Nebraska team.

There’s absolutely no way a second SEC team gets in the playoff now. Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson and Notre Dame would be the playoff if it were announced tomorrow

[LIHoosier]

6 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

There’s absolutely no way a second SEC team gets in the playoff now. Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson and Notre Dame would be the playoff if it were announced tomorrow

It'll happen the same way it happened last year if LSU beats Bama at home. Then the LSU/UGA winner in the $EC title game makes the playoff and Bama because Bama.

[HoosierAloha]

 
I know we can all make data show what we want, but take a look at their schedules with opponents FPI and RPI, below respectively. Of course, these are fluid values that change week to week, so I’m JUST sharing to show how similar the overall body of work seems with numbers attached. Even with Furman having a terrible RPI, Clemson’s average RPI opponent wasn’t too far from Notre Dame and their FPI is a slightly better average. Add in a championship game against either a Miami or Virginia Tech (assuming Clemson wins ACC title game) forms my opinion that an undefeated Clemson would get in over an undefeated Notre Dame.
 
NOTRE DAME SCHEDULE (FPI/RPI)
Michigan 6/16
Ball St 105/125
Vandy 62/54
Wake 68/53
Stanford 20/20
VTech 34/40
Pitt 72/79
Navy 101/96
NW 42/65
Fla St 52/84
Cuse 45/43
USC 37/44
 
FPI Avg - 53.7
RPI Avg - 59.9
 
CLEMSON SCHEDULE (FPI/RPI)
Furman NA/184
TAMU 18/24
Ga Southern 76/47
GTech 38/75
Cuse 45/43
Wake 68/53
NC State 29/15
Fla St 52/84
UofL 92/107
BC 39/56
Duke 33/36
South Carolina 30/28
 
FPI Avg - 47.3
RPI Avg - 62.7
 
 
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I appreciate the discussion and love data. I underestimated some of the teams Clemson has on their schedule and overvalued some of Notre Dame's opponents. I do think with Miami's loss to Virginia a Clemson win against Miami in the championship won't be as impressive. However, if Clemson wins out they'll definitely be in. I don't think the PAC 12 or BIG 12 have a team to that makes the playoff now.


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[JHoosier914]

I appreciate the discussion and love data. I underestimated some of the teams Clemson has on their schedule and overvalued some of Notre Dame's opponents. I do think with Miami's loss to Virginia a Clemson win against Miami in the championship won't be as impressive. However, if Clemson wins out they'll definitely be in. I don't think the PAC 12 or BIG 12 have a team to that makes the playoff now.


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I agree with you. Miami losing today definitely hurts Clemson’s overall SOS. I think the Big12 has an outside shot to get in, but A LOT would have to happen for them to get in.


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[Hoosier Guy]

3 hours ago, LIHoosier said:

It'll happen the same way it happened last year if LSU beats Bama at home. Then the LSU/UGA winner in the $EC title game makes the playoff and Bama because Bama.

Alabama isn’t going to lose. That’s a forgone conclusion

[TheWatShot]

Just curious: are there any good teams in college football? All I seem to read here is Alabama's schedule sucks, Clemson's schedule sucks, Notre Dame's schedule sucks but even if it didn't they'd still get embarrassed because of a game 6 years ago, Pac-12 sucks, Big 12 sucks...on and on.

[HoosierAloha]

1 hour ago, TheWatShot said:

Just curious: are there any good teams in college football? All I seem to read here is Alabama's schedule sucks, Clemson's schedule sucks, Notre Dame's schedule sucks but even if it didn't they'd still get embarrassed because of a game 6 years ago, Pac-12 sucks, Big 12 sucks...on and on.

Where did anyone say their schedule sucks?  There was an actual discussion comparing Clemson and Notre Dame's schedules.  The PAC 12 and BIG 12 have some good teams but I don't think they have a playoff worthy team.  Could Texas even think about the playoffs after getting beat by Maryland?  Could Oregon get in after losing to Stanford?  I'm not sure there is enough left on their schedule to get into the playoff. 

To answer your questions, there are many good teams in college football.  However, there doesn't seem to be a clear top tier like in the past few years.  Bama seems to be up there but everyone else is extremely vulnerable.  IMHO

[Alford Bailey]

I still think Bama and OSU are at the top followed by 5-6 teams just below.

[Hoosier Guy]

2 hours ago, Iugradman said:

I don’t know if there are any truly great teams in college football this year.

You have to be kidding. Alabama is a great team

[Hoosier Guy]

4 hours ago, Joe DeLow said:

Well not with their weak schedule. But they could be 0-12 and still be in the playoff.


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This SEC bias crap gets old. Nothing is biased towards that conference

[JHoosier914]

This SEC bias crap gets old. Nothing is biased towards that conference

Agreed. They’ve got good coaches, a hotbed of recruiting in which they keep a lot of players home, and are damn fun to watch. While I hate the ‘SEC’ cheer, I enjoy watching Bama, Georgia, LSU, and a majority of the other SEC schools. Fun football to watch


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[JHoosier914]

This SEC bias crap gets old. Nothing is biased towards that conference

Agreed. They’ve got good coaches, a hotbed of recruiting in which they keep a lot of players home, and are damn fun to watch. While I hate the ‘SEC’ cheer, I enjoy watching Bama, Georgia, LSU, and a majority of the other SEC schools. Fun football to watch


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Pete Thamel‏Verified account @PeteThamel 

Nick Bosa will withdraw from Ohio State and focus on rehabbing and getting ready for the NFL Draft.  He'd been the best defensive player in college football before his ab injury.  Should be a Top 5 pick.  Big blow for Buckeyes' national title hopes.

[323SGrant]

Pete Thamel‏Verified account @PeteThamel 
Nick Bosa will withdraw from Ohio State and focus on rehabbing and getting ready for the NFL Draft.  He'd been the best defensive player in college football before his ab injury.  Should be a Top 5 pick.  Big blow for Buckeyes' national title hopes.

Good move for him.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

FWIW from Dustin Schutte on saturdaytradition.com

Ever since the scandal involving Ohio State ex-assistant coach Zach Smith broke, college football analyst Paul Finebaum has believed that Urban Meyer has planned his exit strategy.

The SEC Network host hasn’t wavered from that opinion. In fact, he recently doubled-down on his prediction, saying that Meyer appears to be headed out the door in Columbus.

Wednesday, Finebaum joined ESPN’s Get Up! to talk about Meyer’s future with the Buckeyes.

“I sense (his time) is coming to an end at Ohio State,” Finebaum said. “This is observational. I’m watching him. Don’t forget the month of August, one of his worst months ever. I still feel like it’s a bad marriage. We’re hearing him talk about his health. Most coaches don’t talk about their health unless it’s a very serious situation. I think this is a precursor to him walking away at the end of the season much like he did six or seven years ago at the University of Florida.

“The signs are there.”

Two weeks ago in a game against Indiana, Meyer was caught kneeling on the sideline after suffering an intense headache. He later told reporters that he was given some medicine and said he is “fine.”

Meyer has pledged his love for Ohio State repeatedly throughout this season. But Finebaum has been harping on the idea that the head coach could leave after this season since August.

He did leave Florida in similar fashion after the 2010 season. Could we see the same in 2018?

[Naturalhoosier]

10 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

FWIW from Dustin Schutte on saturdaytradition.com

Ever since the scandal involving Ohio State ex-assistant coach Zach Smith broke, college football analyst Paul Finebaum has believed that Urban Meyer has planned his exit strategy.

The SEC Network host hasn’t wavered from that opinion. In fact, he recently doubled-down on his prediction, saying that Meyer appears to be headed out the door in Columbus.

Wednesday, Finebaum joined ESPN’s Get Up! to talk about Meyer’s future with the Buckeyes.

“I sense (his time) is coming to an end at Ohio State,” Finebaum said. “This is observational. I’m watching him. Don’t forget the month of August, one of his worst months ever. I still feel like it’s a bad marriage. We’re hearing him talk about his health. Most coaches don’t talk about their health unless it’s a very serious situation. I think this is a precursor to him walking away at the end of the season much like he did six or seven years ago at the University of Florida.

“The signs are there.”

Two weeks ago in a game against Indiana, Meyer was caught kneeling on the sideline after suffering an intense headache. He later told reporters that he was given some medicine and said he is “fine.”

Meyer has pledged his love for Ohio State repeatedly throughout this season. But Finebaum has been harping on the idea that the head coach could leave after this season since August.

He did leave Florida in similar fashion after the 2010 season. Could we see the same in 2018?

Then the question is....where does he land in 1-2 yrs when he 'feels better'?  It's bound to happen.  Health-wise, I wish him the best...doesn't change my mind about him being a big ****** however.

[TheWatShot]

On 10/17/2018 at 10:12 PM, Naturalhoosier said:

Then the question is....where does he land in 1-2 yrs when he 'feels better'?  It's bound to happen.  Health-wise, I wish him the best...doesn't change my mind about him being a big ****** however.

He'll still be there next year and they'll win 11 or 12 games like they always do.

 

I feel like anytime an article of this nature comes up, it's nothing but hot air and nothing changes. For the last four years, there have been countless rumors about Calipari taking an NBA job, but four years later, he's still there. Just like all the articles about how the end is nigh for the Patriots, Belichick is getting fed up, etc., but they just keep marching on.

 

And just how exactly is Meyer and OSU a "bad marriage?" All he's done is win like 90% of his games and beat Michigan every year. It just reads like someone who hates his guts and wants him gone (which I wholeheartedly agree with him on that front).

[KingPG21]

If you honestly don't think Bama is a great football team this year, maybe try watching them. Also the argument that they haven't played anyone isn't true they beat the snot out of Texas A&M. Just because you demolish every team you play doesn't mean you haven't played anyone good

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Alabama is just silly this year.

It’s disgusting.


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[TheWatShot]

Man, the home-cooking Purdue gets is incredible for a non-traditional power. Five penalties on the Buckeyes in the first quarter, a generous spot on a punt return and a mistaken spot on a fumble that resulted in a first down.