B10 Basketball Recruiting Thread

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Did he sign yesterday and announce today. I watched the Champaign news at 6 and they didn't know for sure because he said he was waiting until Spring to sign. I'm assuming to see if Ayo goes pro. At least that was what I hot out of the guys reporting.

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8 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

 

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That right there would kind of p*ss me off as a fan or coach.

On a different note, UI signing Curbelo & Miller (presumably) kind of shoots the whole "you gotta win before you can attract recruits" mantra.  Even today, I'm not sure UI is a better team than we are, and certainly haven't been over the past few years.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

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Good find. My love/hate of recruiting continues. I wish I didn’t give a damn, but it’s the single best indicator of future success.


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[Uspshoosier]

Good find. My love/hate of recruiting continues. I wish I didn’t give a damn, but it’s the single best indicator of future success.


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Through your eyes that should show you how down the B1G recruiting is conference wise. Because in 2018,19,20 IU’s recruiting classes ranked in the 247 composite average out to be around the top for B1G teams nationally and in conference. Winning cures all. If IU had Ohio st 2020 recruiting class most on here would have pitchforks out. When I have more time I will post the numbers


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Through your eyes that should show you how down the B1G recruiting is conference wise. Because in 2018,19,20 IU’s recruiting classes ranked in the 247 composite average out to be around the top for B1G teams nationally and in conference. Winning cures all. If IU had Ohio st 2020 recruiting class most on here would have pitchforks out. When I have more time I will post the numbers


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You are right about winning.  

Big rankings for IU

2017-3rd               overall #32

2018-2nd (thanks Romeo)             overall #10 (thanks again Romeo)

2019-6th                  overall  #53

2020-4th for now      overall #26 likely to drop as we aren't in running for anyone noteworthy

 

For a team that wants to be a top team nationally this isn't much to brag about.  The B1G has been weak in recruiting in general.  That 2017 class may pay some dividends this year with Justin Smith and Al Durham but we aren't recruiting at a level to be nationally relevant and so far the results are about equal.  Then again Texas Tech found lightning in a bottle.  But now they are recruiting better too.   

[ElectricBoogaloo]

9 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Through your eyes that should show you how down the B1G recruiting is conference wise. Because in 2018,19,20 IU’s recruiting classes ranked in the 247 composite average out to be around the top for B1G teams nationally and in conference. Winning cures all. If IU had Ohio st 2020 recruiting class most on here would have pitchforks out. When I have more time I will post the numbers


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Only if they had forgotten completely about OSU's 2019 class - 3 top 50 guys.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

6 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You are right about winning.  

Big rankings for IU

2017-3rd               overall #32

2018-2nd (thanks Romeo)             overall #10 (thanks again Romeo)

2019-6th                  overall  #53

2020-4th for now      overall #26 likely to drop as we aren't in running for anyone noteworthy

 

For a team that wants to be a top team nationally this isn't much to brag about.  The B1G has been weak in recruiting in general.  That 2017 class may pay some dividends this year with Justin Smith and Al Durham but we aren't recruiting at a level to be nationally relevant and so far the results are about equal.  Then again Texas Tech found lightning in a bottle.  But now they are recruiting better too.   

Texas Tech as a random example.  2019 class #16 overall.  2020 stands at #6. We, at Indiana, aren't recruiting great.   I know teams can win with less, I get it, but I think the correlation of success is strong.  Always have, always will.

 

Indiana should have been better last year with Romeo.  We didn't live up to our standards OR the recruiting expectation, because relative to the B1G we should be a top 5 team.  And I think we can be.  

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14 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

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For a team that wants to be a top team nationally this isn't much to brag about.  The B1G has been weak in recruiting in general.  That 2017 class may pay some dividends this year with Justin Smith and Al Durham but we aren't recruiting at a level to be nationally relevant and so far the results are about equal.  Then again Texas Tech found lightning in a bottle.  But now they are recruiting better too.   

Reluctantly, I have to agree. Our recruiting success is primarily based on in-state guys - that's a good thing and obviously a priority for CAM.  But at some point we must start getting some out of state, highly ranked players.  Because so many recruits we've landed are from Indiana, we may overvalue them (IDK) but from a national or outside perspective I don't think anyone is overly impressed with our recruiting.

Of course getting the right kind of player is important, and building a team with them is the bottom line.  I believe we're going to be much better this season than last and what outsiders probably expect.  Still, I'm concerned about our inability to land top-75 playes unless they're from Indiana.

[Uspshoosier]

Only if they had forgotten completely about OSU's 2019 class - 3 top 50 guys.

Kind of like some on here forget about having a McDonald’s all-American and the highest rated recruit out of the 2019 class for the B1G

 

 

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Kind of like some on here forget about having a McDonald’s all-American and the highest rated recruit out of the 2019 class for the B1G
 
 
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No one has forgotten about that. He’s already our most impactful player. You start to get great when you stack about 3 of these guys together with the right other pieces. No one from 2020 is going to come in with immediately strong impact.


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[Uspshoosier]

No one has forgotten about that. He’s already our most impactful player. You start to get great when you stack about 3 of these guys together with the right other pieces. No one from 2020 is going to come in with immediately strong impact.


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Who is Ohio St stacking in their 2020 class with their guys?


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Texas Tech as a random example.  2019 class #16 overall.  2020 stands at #6. We, at Indiana, aren't recruiting great.   I know teams can win with less, I get it, but I think the correlation of success is strong.  Always have, always will.
 
Indiana should have been better last year with Romeo.  We didn't live up to our standards OR the recruiting expectation, because relative to the B1G we should be a top 5 team.  And I think we can be.  

If we are talking about winning championships, you have to have talent. Even Virginia who so many want to say won with a bunch of 3 stars. Their team last year was put together of all Top 100 guys except for Jack Salt and Kahei Clark who were outside the Top 300. That included 3 Top 50 guys in Guy, Jerome and Diakite. Those Villanova teams that people want to say the same about? About the same situation. The biggest thing for them is that they were able to get big recruits to stay more than 1 year. Spellman and Brunson were both Top 25 recruits and each stayed 2-3 years. Even UNC had guys like Theo Pinson and Justin Jackson. Jackson was ranked 9th and stayed 4 years. Or looking back to 2010 with that Duke team who had Kyle Singled that 4 years as a Top 10 recruit. Now if you want to talk about just competing in the Top 4 or 5 of the Big Ten, then you can recruit in just the top half of the B1G and be content with that.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Who is Ohio St stacking in their 2020 class with their guys?


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They return a 3 man core that will be the centerpieces. Ohio state also active in grad transfer market. And they aren’t the ones I’m really concerned with, although I think they are positioned a little better than us but only slightly. Don’t think they will be better than or as good as the best teams in the nation.

Losing Wesson will hurt them and if I was a fan of them I’d want him “replaced”.


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[Alford Bailey]

Carton, Brooks and Garcia. Three guys we prioritized and didnt land. No back up plan for these three either which is my concern. Land 1 0r 2 of those guys and we are having a different conversation.

[TXHoosierDaddy]

10 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Carton, Brooks and Garcia. Three guys we prioritized and didnt land. No back up plan for these three either which is my concern. Land 1 0r 2 of those guys and we are having a different conversation.

We put so many eggs in the Brooks basket. It was silly not to have more lined up behind him. Carton and Garcia both lost to schools I wouldn't have expected to beat us. 

Archie has done extremely well establishing roots in-state. But our out of state recruiting has been close to a fail. In state will get us enough recruits to be competitive but to get to another level we are going to have to start landing some really good out of state guys too. 

[cthomas]

1 hour ago, Fkfootball1 said:

Man I wish we had Carton.

 

 

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Wasn't immediate playing time a factor with Carton? I thought OSU's pitch was that he would get the keys to the offense. With Phinisee already established that wasn't going to happen here. Those who are willing to "play the game" to win are using the Lance Armstrong argument. He got crucified for doing what every other competitive cyclist was doing. Is it even possible to get just a little dirty? 

[Uspshoosier]

Wasn't immediate playing time a factor with Carton? I thought OSU's pitch was that he would get the keys to the offense. With Phinisee already established that wasn't going to happen here. Those who are willing to "play the game" to win are using the Lance Armstrong argument. He got crucified for doing what every other competitive cyclist was doing. Is it even possible to get just a little dirty? 

He just bonded better with the Ohio st players on his visit. Relationship with current players was one of his biggest factors. The gut punch in this one was everyone was saying Michigan and Indiana before the buckeyes visit and according to some of he wouldn’t of visited Ohio St he actually bonded better with the IU players instead of Michigan’s


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[ap2345]

Wasn't immediate playing time a factor with Carton? I thought OSU's pitch was that he would get the keys to the offense. With Phinisee already established that wasn't going to happen here. Those who are willing to "play the game" to win are using the Lance Armstrong argument. He got crucified for doing what every other competitive cyclist was doing. Is it even possible to get just a little dirty? 

Carton is splitting time with CJ Walker at the 1 and they both play together at times too. Carton is playing 23 mpg while Walker plays about 22 mpg.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Wasn't immediate playing time a factor with Carton? I thought OSU's pitch was that he would get the keys to the offense. With Phinisee already established that wasn't going to happen here. Those who are willing to "play the game" to win are using the Lance Armstrong argument. He got crucified for doing what every other competitive cyclist was doing. Is it even possible to get just a little dirty? 

Carton would likely have taken Phinisees spot this season.


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[HoosierAloha]

Good find. My love/hate of recruiting continues. I wish I didn’t give a damn, but it’s the single best indicator of future success.


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It’s kind of crazy but outside of a few freshmen I have no idea who the top recruits were for 2019. That’s probably a first for me.


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