New Coach Salary And Criteria...$5 million?

[Old Friend 8,681]

The fanbase is anti crean though.  The fact that we are loud is a good thing its means we still care.  Its apathy and quiet that a coach doesn't want. 

Yang to yin.  What coach wants to come to a place where the environment is"anti coach?"  That's toxic.  To YOU the fact that you're loud is a good thing and means you care, but I don't think that's in question.  No coach wants to go into a toxic environment, and I don't think any want to be looked at as a savior as Old Fart said.  A coach wants a situation where he can win, and where he has support.   A coach will see loud fans and wonder what things will be if he has a tough game or a tough month.   I think (and I've been guilty as I said, so I'm making this point knowing full well I've been part of what I'm now saying is a problem) we're better off backing off the anti-Crean stuff other than what the team does on the floor and letting it play out.  There's no way he keeps his job if Indiana doesn't win, and I guarantee Brad Stevens and Tracy Stevens already know where they stand on IU fans' wish list.  I guess I think we're better off in the long run in a less toxic environment.

[Old Friend 8,681]

So... We have a top 30 defense.  One lockdown defender.  You are saying we didn't have a good team defense?  You really think Vic defended all 5 people at once?  We had to have a team defense.  We have a frosh Yogi, Jordy, and CWat on the floor.  Seriously, you are going to argue we didn't have a good team defense with those 3 players playing 25+ minutes a game with Zeller inside?  We had ONE lockdown defender.  That won't give you a top 30 d.

I think we had a collection of kids with a much higher defensive basketball IQ and defensive mentality than the ones we have now.  

[mdn82 26,344]

I think we had a collection of kids with a much higher defensive basketball IQ and defensive mentality than the ones we have now.

I absolutely agree with that but we didn't have a team of lockdown defenders. I think Yogi as a Frosh was the weak link defensively. Brass thought we did. We played very good team D to keep that ranking. We weren't as one dimensional that year.

[coonhounds 10,558]

I absolutely agree with that but we didn't have a team of lockdown defenders. I think Yogi as a Frosh was the weak link defensively. Brass thought we did. We played very good team D to keep that ranking. We weren't as one dimensional that year.

we would stop people from driving in for easy layups and didn't have guys like jbj for instance losing his guy completely for a easy three. Jbj isn't the only one who does that. Sadly

[HoosierTrav 8,339]

I am sorry but I get so tired of the Wade argument.  Say Wade didn't have his issues out of high school, how would he have been ranked?  How many top 20 players does Sean Miller have?  How have his classes been ranked?  You are going to come at me in a team game with one player?  You are telling me he couldn't have been double or triple teamed?  Generational talent?  He wasn't flipping Allen Iverson, Christian Laettner, or MJ in college.  He put up solid numbers that people put up in college every year.  Sean Miller is getting his picks of talent out West because nobody out there can compete with him and Arizona in recruiting West of the Mississippi.  Elite 8s.  Congrats.  Its like Bo at Wisky.  Up until he made the Final 4 everyone here was impressed with his regular season run, but wouldn't want him as their coach due to his tournamtent success.  That is Sean Miller to me.  Congrats, he can recruit out West, and win in the Pac135.  There are mid-majors harder than the Pac12 right now.  If we got him, I would be underwhelmed.

 

Say Wade didn't have his issues in high school....Would he have chosen to play for Tom Crean and Marquette, with other top dogs wanting him? And no he couldn't be double or triple teamed...You dont double and triple team guys who can beat you with the pass. He WAS a once in a generation type player in that he was NBA All Star ready at both ends of the floor. He dominated the NBA finals and won a championship and Finals MVP in his 3rd year in the NBA. He carried that Marquette team on his back offensively and defensively. It definitely wasn't some masterful job by Coach Crean. It was basically the equivalent of Mike Brown getting the Cleveland Cavs to the Eastern Finals. Sure, it goes on his resume, but it was 100% due to having Lebron James beat the Pistons by himself. That is how dominant Wade was during that tournament run. Sometimes one player is THE reason why a team achieves high levels of success. Believe it or not, its the truth.

 

I'm not saying Sean Miller is the guy I or the rest of Hoosier Nation wants but I think you're being a bit stubborn in admitting the fact that he's a clear upgrade over what we have now.  You keep going back to his success in the tournament. He has had consistent success in my eyes. He's made 3 elite 8's at Zona and 1 at Xavier. That means he is putting his teams in position to win one game and be in a final four. If it weren't for running into a legendary B1G coach and 2 eventual lotto picks (Wisconsin), in consecutive years, he'd have likely made 2 FF's. I'll welcome that kind of tournament success over what we've experienced under Tom Crean any day of the week.  And dont belittle recruiting the West coast and winning the PAC 12. Very fertile grounds out there for players and a lot of championship team reside there. Its an accomplishment. 

 

Miller is a significant upgrade. Admit it already.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Yang to yin.  What coach wants to come to a place where the environment is"anti coach?"  That's toxic.  To YOU the fact that you're loud is a good thing and means you care, but I don't think that's in question.  No coach wants to go into a toxic environment, and I don't think any want to be looked at as a savior as Old Fart said.  A coach wants a situation where he can win, and where he has support.   A coach will see loud fans and wonder what things will be if he has a tough game or a tough month.   I think (and I've been guilty as I said, so I'm making this point knowing full well I've been part of what I'm now saying is a problem) we're better off backing off the anti-Crean stuff other than what the team does on the floor and letting it play out.  There's no way he keeps his job if Indiana doesn't win, and I guarantee Brad Stevens and Tracy Stevens already know where they stand on IU fans' wish list.  I guess I think we're better off in the long run in a less toxic environment.

More reason why I frown upon booing our own coach in Assembly Hall.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,550]

Say Wade didn't have his issues in high school....Would he have chosen to play for Tom Crean and Marquette, with other top dogs wanting him? And no he couldn't be double or triple teamed...You dont double and triple team guys who can beat you with the pass. He WAS a once in a generation type player in that he was NBA All Star ready at both ends of the floor. He dominated the NBA finals and won a championship and Finals MVP in his 3rd year in the NBA. He carried that Marquette team on his back offensively and defensively. It definitely wasn't some masterful job by Coach Crean. It was basically the equivalent of Mike Brown getting the Cleveland Cavs to the Eastern Finals. Sure, it goes on his resume, but it was 100% due to having Lebron James beat the Pistons by himself. That is how dominant Wade was during that tournament run. Sometimes one player is THE reason why a team achieves high levels of success. Believe it or not, its the truth.

I'm not saying Sean Miller is the guy I or the rest of Hoosier Nation wants but I think you're being a bit stubborn in admitting the fact that he's a clear upgrade over what we have now. You keep going back to his success in the tournament. He has had consistent success in my eyes. He's made 3 elite 8's at Zona and 1 at Xavier. That means he is putting his teams in position to win one game and be in a final four. If it weren't for running into a legendary B1G coach and 2 eventual lotto picks (Wisconsin), in consecutive years, he'd have likely made 2 FF's. I'll welcome that kind of tournament success over what we've experienced under Tom Crean any day of the week. And dont belittle recruiting the West coast and winning the PAC 12. Very fertile grounds out there for players and a lot of championship team reside there. Its an accomplishment.

Miller is a significant upgrade. Admit it already.

well stated. I would take the results Arizona has had in a heartbeat. Consistent recruiting and consistent winning. Fun players. Good teams. IF he could have the same success at IU I would welcome him proudly.

Not sure why he would leave Arid-zona though.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,550]

Millers results

16-15
30-8
23-12
27-8
33-5
34-4
6-1

[Brass Cannon 25,473]

I absolutely agree with that but we didn't have a team of lockdown defenders. I think Yogi as a Frosh was the weak link defensively. Brass thought we did. We played very good team D to keep that ranking. We weren't as one dimensional that year.

 

I never claimed that.  But one or two defenders especially one on Vics level can change how an entire team plays defense.  Vic could single handedly disrupt an opposing teams Offense.  Not guard all 5 people but screw up what they are doing and shut down their best guy.  And with Cody in the middle we had a strong inside out presence.  Where as now I see neither of those things. 

 

We had talented defenders, but our overall defensive scheme was not inherently good or well coached. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,550]

In 30 years, Arizona has missed the Dance twice.

[Brass Cannon 25,473]

If Miller is the best we can get I would take it to see what he could do here.  If he still underachieves so be it, he will need to go.  But he isn't going to set the program back like the Sampson.  Or make it into a joke like Crean and to a lesser extent Davis.   

[Feathery 4,005]

Sean Miller is a very good recruiter. Gets a lot of talent then doesn't produce in the tournament because he isn't a great coach. Sounds too much like what we already have ( maybe a slight upgrade ). I say no.

He has a win % over 70%. That would say he can coach. He has 6 conference titles. That says he can coach. He got beat twice to Wisconsin, against Bo Ryan's best teams ever. Lost close as well.

The fact he is always a threat to make a run is exactly the type of coach IU needs. Someone to hang conference banners and someone who is a threat to make a run. Remember Bill Self was Bucknell Bill until he finally made the fina four. Now he is seen as one of the best coaches in college. As soon as Sean Miller makes a final four or wins a Natty he will be seen in the same light as Self.

[Alford Bailey 13,228]

Sean Miller is a very good recruiter. Gets a lot of talent then doesn't produce in the tournament because he isn't a great coach. Sounds too much like what we already have ( maybe a slight upgrade ). I say no.

His coaching ability is debatable but he is a far superior recruiter to Crean. Pretty much gets what he wants and can assemble a balanced roster year in year out.

[BtownBanner6 1,298]

He has a win % over 70%. That would say he can coach. He has 6 conference titles. That says he can coach. He got beat twice to Wisconsin, against Bo Ryan's best teams ever. Lost close as well.

The fact he is always a threat to make a run is exactly the type of coach IU needs. Someone to hang conference banners and someone who is a threat to make a run. Remember Bill Self was Bucknell Bill until he finally made the fina four. Now he is seen as one of the best coaches in college. As soon as Sean Miller makes a final four or wins a Natty he will be seen in the same light as Self.

Don't have a problem with Sean Miller, but think about what conference he's been winning those in.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,550]

His coaching ability is debatable but he is a far superior recruiter to Crean. Pretty much gets what he wants and can assemble a balanced roster year in year out.

agree on both counts. Recruits circles around Crean and that's saying something. He doesn't necessarily have the glamorous name but he'd be better than most especially if he could continue his recruiting success.

[mdn82 26,344]

Don't have a problem with Sean Miller, but think about what conference he's been winning those in.

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[mdn82 26,344]

I never claimed that. But one or two defenders especially one on Vics level can change how an entire team plays defense. Vic could single handedly disrupt an opposing teams Offense. Not guard all 5 people but screw up what they are doing and shut down their best guy. And with Cody in the middle we had a strong inside out presence. Where as now I see neither of those things.

We had talented defenders, but our overall defensive scheme was not inherently good or well coached.

Cody was not that great of a defender. He played small. Yet he was smart. Who honestly plays that much of a scheme on defense? Shaka Smart and Boeheim?

[BlueDevil 9,556]

Cody was not that great of a defender. He played small. Yet he was smart. Who honestly plays that much of a scheme on defense? Shaka Smart and Boeheim?

I'd add in Bennett with the pack line.

[Alford Bailey 13,228]

He has a win % over 70%. That would say he can coach. He has 6 conference titles. That says he can coach. He got beat twice to Wisconsin, against Bo Ryan's best teams ever. Lost close as well.

The fact he is always a threat to make a run is exactly the type of coach IU needs. Someone to hang conference banners and someone who is a threat to make a run. Remember Bill Self was Bucknell Bill until he finally made the fina four. Now he is seen as one of the best coaches in college. As soon as Sean Miller makes a final four or wins a Natty he will be seen in the same light as Self.

I've watched Miller going back to his days under Sendek at Miaml of Ohio. He has won almost 75% of his games and is 17-8 in the Tourney. Compare that to Creans 60% clip and 9-8 in the tourney. I like the Self reference. Miller will get there. You certainly don't watch Millers games and say wtf was that after a loss like Crean.

[mdn82 26,344]

Say Wade didn't have his issues in high school....Would he have chosen to play for Tom Crean and Marquette, with other top dogs wanting him? And no he couldn't be double or triple teamed...You dont double and triple team guys who can beat you with the pass. He WAS a once in a generation type player in that he was NBA All Star ready at both ends of the floor. He dominated the NBA finals and won a championship and Finals MVP in his 3rd year in the NBA. He carried that Marquette team on his back offensively and defensively. It definitely wasn't some masterful job by Coach Crean. It was basically the equivalent of Mike Brown getting the Cleveland Cavs to the Eastern Finals. Sure, it goes on his resume, but it was 100% due to having Lebron James beat the Pistons by himself. That is how dominant Wade was during that tournament run. Sometimes one player is THE reason why a team achieves high levels of success. Believe it or not, its the truth.

I'm not saying Sean Miller is the guy I or the rest of Hoosier Nation wants but I think you're being a bit stubborn in admitting the fact that he's a clear upgrade over what we have now. You keep going back to his success in the tournament. He has had consistent success in my eyes. He's made 3 elite 8's at Zona and 1 at Xavier. That means he is putting his teams in position to win one game and be in a final four. If it weren't for running into a legendary B1G coach and 2 eventual lotto picks (Wisconsin), in consecutive years, he'd have likely made 2 FF's. I'll welcome that kind of tournament success over what we've experienced under Tom Crean any day of the week. And dont belittle recruiting the West coast and winning the PAC 12. Very fertile grounds out there for players and a lot of championship team reside there. Its an accomplishment.

Miller is a significant upgrade. Admit it already.

I honestly would not come close to happy if Sean Miller came here. He already turned us down once. Why would he even entertain leaving the Pac12 and free reigns to recruiting the West Coast to come here? I don't want someone to do minimally better than Crean. I want them to win. You put IU in the Pac12 and Crean is looking pretty damn good. That is the type of conference and style of play that would better suit him. Not these grinding games of Big 10.