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Athlon Sports: Indiana's Love/Hate relationship with Tom Crean

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Wow. Anyone else read this? Here are some noteworthy bits.......

"Ok, so we're not entirely certain if there's a "love" part of this relationship right now"

"Since then, Crean's program has been a sideshow"

"Then came reports about a rift between Crean and his players" after snubbed by NIT

"And then off court issues: alcohol incidents and failed drug test for 5 of 13 scholarship players in the span of a few months"

"Before last season Crean appeared on the brink of losing his job-one Indiana fan asked him directly on his call-in show"

"His game management was a constant source of frustration for Indiana fans, and Crean's histrionics made for chuckles from non-Hoosiers"

"Crean has a team built to contend in the Big Ten, but if history is any indication, the journey won't be uneventful"

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Another gem in the shot clock article.

"More possessions generally increase the likelihood that a more talented team will win a game. Teams that compensate for a deficit of talent with unorthodox, slower styles of play or more sets, cuts and passing might see their advantage diminished."

Good for us, sadly. I personally like fast paced ball but I like it structured with sensical ball movement. At least we have half of it covered.

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The coach at Indiana really has two jobs. One is to compete for the Big Ten every year. If the team does that, everything else will fall into place. We'll be in contention nationally, and we'll be a destination many kids will be attracted to. Second, he has to do things the right way. No cheating, as little "headlines for the wrong reasons" as possible, and create an environment where the IU players are largely role models and kids which fans and alumni can be proud of.

Right now, he's doing neither one. There is no "love" anymore. He's lost control, he doesn't have the respect of his players, and he doesn't have support of the fans. Not news. Just reality. And I find it sad.

You are correct sir.

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those quotes are about spot on to how I feel. Thumbs up to Old Friend as I completely agree.

I think a change will happen and could happen as soon as the end of the season. People like to dump on Glass and call him a fanboy, etc.. Fred Glass is a smart man and if things go south this season, then I can see Glass making a move. Also, the buyout is down to the 7 million range, which is doable.

The likely scenario is we have a solid year and then things fall apart the following season as we lose a lot of quality players. At that point the buyout is under 4 million and Stevens could be finished with the pros by then, if not sooner (if at all).

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It will take a catastrophic meltdown for Crean to get canned after this year. I don't agree with that but it's true. If we were going to do it, why do it after a 25 win season? Why not do it after a 17 win or 20 win season?

No way Glass cans him unless we win 20 or fewer


If we win 25+ and Brad Stevens is interested I would fire Crean with a 20 million buyout.

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It will take a catastrophic meltdown for Crean to get canned after this year. I don't agree with that but it's true. If we were going to do it, why do it after a 25 win season? Why not do it after a 17 win or 20 win season?

No way Glass cans him unless we win 20 or fewer

 

 

We've had dumb people making important decisions for a long time…but trust me, Crean isn't going to be retained solely because he won X amount of games. 

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[quote name="TheWatShot" post="191993" timestamp="1441842357"]

We've had dumb people making important decisions for a long time…but trust me, Crean isn't going to be retained solely because he won X amount of games. [/quote
I agree that we have had dumb people making decisions for too long... After that I'm not sure.

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It will take a catastrophic meltdown for Crean to get canned after this year. I don't agree with that but it's true. If we were going to do it, why do it after a 25 win season? Why not do it after a 17 win or 20 win season?

No way Glass cans him unless we win 20 or fewer

In normal circumstances, I agree 100%.  However, the brand has been significantly damaged, and he's largely at fault.  Wins and losses - and I hate this - are not the main issue at all.  We could win the whole thing going undefeated, and I could still make a legitimate argument that Crean should be let go.   The whole act has to be cleaned up, and significant progress has to be made from many perspectives, including on the floor; but also inclusive of the type of kids we recruit; the level of success we have in re-building broken or strained relationships with high school and AAU coaches who now see IU as a very toxic place; and a trust has to be built from the foundation up.  Those things are hard to do in a year, and the alumni has generally lost complete faith in Tom Crean.   Assembly Hall will be about as comfortable for him as it was for Mike Davis in his last year, and a coach who gets boo'd on his home floor will never last long at Indiana University.

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In normal circumstances, I agree 100%. However, the brand has been significantly damaged, and he's largely at fault. Wins and losses - and I hate this - are not the main issue at all. We could win the whole thing going undefeated, and I could still make a legitimate argument that Crean should be let go. The whole act has to be cleaned up, and significant progress has to be made from many perspectives, including on the floor; but also inclusive of the type of kids we recruit; the level of success we have in re-building broken or strained relationships with high school and AAU coaches who now see IU as a very toxic place; and a trust has to be built from the foundation up. Those things are hard to do in a year, and the alumni has generally lost complete faith in Tom Crean. Assembly Hall will be about as comfortable for him as it was for Mike Davis in his last year, and a coach who gets boo'd on his home floor will never last long at Indiana University.

i think you know I am not on the Crean bandwagon, not many are, but he will not get boo'd this year if he wins. You, me, most of the fan base will not find ourselves booing Crean if we play well this season. It doesn't mean he is the right man for the job but I think we will have a decent to good year and it will buy himself some time.

If he wins 25 games this year which is my estimate, I will be 100% shocked if he is not our coach in 2016/2017.

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If he wins 25 games this year which is my estimate, I will be 100% shocked if he is not our coach in 2016/2017.

 

Again, it's not that simple. 25 wins won't save his job…no number will. How does he get to 25? Does he get there with a strong finish that sees his team go down swinging only to lose a hard-fought game to a highly-seeded opponent? Or does his team do its usual late-season swoon and lose 6 of 8, capped off by getting kicked in the mouth by a lower seed? Also, how many players will we lose after the season? 

 

 

Glass may be a fan of Crean, but he doesn't want a repeat of 2013-14. If he has to fire Crean to save his own job, he'll do it. 

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i think you know I am not on the Crean bandwagon, not many are, but he will not get boo'd this year if he wins. You, me, most of the fan base will not find ourselves booing Crean if we play well this season. It doesn't mean he is the right man for the job but I think we will have a decent to good year and it will buy himself some time.

If he wins 25 games this year which is my estimate, I will be 100% shocked if he is not our coach in 2016/2017.

I do know that, and I respectfully disagree with you on this one.  Wat's right.  It's not as simple as wins and losses.  I think he's lost the fan base.  And I think wins and losses are less important now than getting this program back on track, and he's not the right guy.  Everyone knows that, and they have also heard enough of his BS.  We'll see, but I think he'll hear plenty from a pretty angry and fed-up fan base.   I think the players will hear nothing but support...but Crean?  Different animal.

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