Potential coaching change suggestions

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

The guy gets more with less year after year. It's that simple. People, maybe wrongly, assume his recruiting would be top notch at a big time school and if so his eye for talent and winning would continue at a high rate. 7 or 8 years ago I liked the idea of Few, instead to Crean if it were between the 2, but currently he is not at the top of my list. Shaka Smart is the modern version of what Few stood for years back.

Exactly. The flavor of the month is not a good way to go...

 

Mark Few, it just makes no sense. Indiana is in the Midwest. I think Gregg Marshall is an excellent coach, though some think he cheats, but I'm not convinced he would do any better than Crean has.

 

My position has remained the same: you can't fire Crean if you don't have a big gun lined up. You can't take that chance. Someone with clout, not some up and comer.

[bronkonagurski 894]

Keith Smart.  He has been my dark-horse pick for well over a decade. 

[schoosier 3,455]

I have a well thought out post, somewhere from one of my many that a lot here didn't like, that follows a similar track that our current situation evolves. It revolves around recruiting the current pool of coaches you think can get it done here at IU. It revolved around a tier process of three tiers. The first being your most highly sought after; then to tier 2 and 3. You take this year as a dating phase or get to know you. Use intermediaries to make contact because of contracts to gauge interest and if tier one bites, you move forward. All the while maintaining contacts with tier 2 and 3 just in case. From my recollection:
Tier 1: Brad Steven, Billy Donovan
Tier 2: Up and comers, Fred Hoiberg, Gregg Marshall, Archie Miller, Tim Miles
Tier 3: IU guys, Steve Alford, Randy Wittman, Mike Woodson, Keith Smart, Jim Crews
If tier 1 bites, you make the hire. If tier one doesn't, move to tier 2 and so on. We have a whole year to get this right all the while maintaining contact with each to see how their season progresses. Follow this and we get the right coach and I stand by my pool of candidates.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

I have a well thought out post, somewhere from one of my many that a lot here didn't like, that follows a similar track that our current situation evolves. It revolves around recruiting the current pool of coaches you think can get it done here at IU. It revolved around a tier process of three tiers. The first being your most highly sought after; then to tier 2 and 3. You take this year as a dating phase or get to know you. Use intermediaries to make contact because of contracts to gauge interest and if tier one bites, you move forward. All the while maintaining contacts with tier 2 and 3 just in case. From my recollection:
Tier 1: Brad Steven, Billy Donovan
Tier 2: Up and comers, Fred Hoiberg, Gregg Marshall, Archie Miller, Tim Miles
Tier 3: IU guys, Steve Alford, Randy Wittman, Mike Woodson, Keith Smart, Jim Crews
If tier 1 bites, you make the hire. If tier one doesn't, move to tier 2 and so on. We have a whole year to get this right all the while maintaining contact with each to see how their season progresses. Follow this and we get the right coach and I stand by my pool of candidates.

The thing is, if we're moving on, we have to get our number one option. If we're paying $7.5-12 mill to move on, we better be moving on to THE coach who can take us all the way and keep us there.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

To me Stevens, Donavon, Hoiberg, and Miles would be long shots at best, because of their current position.

[Hutch89 2,939]

Jordy hulls 4 prezident

[Hovadipo 55,162]

Why are we suggesting B1G coaches? I really don't see that happening. Is it even legal?

[cchoneycut 53]

This is a reach but what's the chance we can convince JHulls to come back and be part of the staff so we can mentor him to be an integral part of the staff when the time is right?

[theriverpilot 5,589]

I have a well thought out post, somewhere from one of my many that a lot here didn't like, that follows a similar track that our current situation evolves. It revolves around recruiting the current pool of coaches you think can get it done here at IU. It revolved around a tier process of three tiers. The first being your most highly sought after; then to tier 2 and 3. You take this year as a dating phase or get to know you. Use intermediaries to make contact because of contracts to gauge interest and if tier one bites, you move forward. All the while maintaining contacts with tier 2 and 3 just in case. From my recollection:
Tier 1: Brad Steven, Billy Donovan
Tier 2: Up and comers, Fred Hoiberg, Gregg Marshall, Archie Miller, Tim Miles
Tier 3: IU guys, Steve Alford, Randy Wittman, Mike Woodson, Keith Smart, Jim Crews
If tier 1 bites, you make the hire. If tier one doesn't, move to tier 2 and so on. We have a whole year to get this right all the while maintaining contact with each to see how their season progresses. Follow this and we get the right coach and I stand by my pool of candidates.

Tier 1: curious why Donovan would leave a stable position for this.

Tier 3: I know some have voiced concern on Crew's age but the guy did wonders at the University of Evansville. UE is a private school with no facilities at the time yet Crews still good kids there.

All in all, I wouldn't make a move for any of these except Stevens. If he's the chosen one, then why settle?

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Tim Miles, huh... that'd be funny considering so many scoff at losing to his team. Can you imagine the outrage if IU's coach tweeted at halftime?  :rtfm:

[Golfman25 5,046]

Assuming we are a few years away, I'd look at Chris Collins. Part of the knight/coach k tree.


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[schoosier 3,455]

The thing is, if we're moving on, we have to get our number one option. If we're paying $7.5-12 mill to move on, we better be moving on to THE coach who can take us all the way and keep us there.

In my view all of my tiers are much better coaches than our current. And quite frankly I could name 20 more at least ahead of Crean. I just listed my choices. They would all move us closer to what we all want which is competing yearly for championships and post season births. A good quality coach let's us do that.

[schoosier 3,455]

To me Stevens, Donavon, Hoiberg, and Miles would be long shots at best, because of their current position.

Stevens maybe but there are many reasons that could work in our favor with him. The others wouldn't be longshots at all. Two are at football schools and the other will never win a national championship in Iowa.

[schoosier 3,455]

Tier 1: curious why Donovan would leave a stable position for this.
Tier 3: I know some have voiced concern on Crew's age but the guy did wonders at the University of Evansville. UE is a private school with no facilities at the time yet Crews still good kids there.
All in all, I wouldn't make a move for any of these except Stevens. If he's the chosen one, then why settle?

1. A two time NCAA champion deserves more respect than what he gets at his own football school who is more concerned about their next football coach. Can you imagine how that would suck?
To answer your question, you're not settling by any I mention. You're still getting a coach x 10 of our current.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

In my view all of my tiers are much better coaches than our current. And quite frankly I could name 20 more at least ahead of Crean. I just listed my choices. They would all move us closer to what we all want which is competing yearly for championships and post season births. A good quality coach let's us do that.

I'm saying it can't just be someone better than Crean, there are plenty in that "tier". They need to be the next big thing or already a top tier coach.

The next hire has to be our number one option. Crean has at least made the program respectable again to the point where we should be able to attract our top choice.

[schoosier 3,455]

Tim Miles, huh... that'd be funny considering so many scoff at losing to his team. Can you imagine the outrage if IU's coach tweeted at halftime?  :rtfm:

We would all be with him laughing at his winning tweets. Seems to be a recruiting and other advantage if your winning. What's funny is we scoff at losing to him? Not if he's coaching here with better resources and players. I really like him as he seems to be a real players coach. Imagine the possibilities?

[schoosier 3,455]

I'm saying it can't just be someone better than Crean, there are plenty in that "tier". They need to be the next big thing or already a top tier coach.
The next hire has to be our number one option. Crean has at least made the program respectable again to the point where we should be able to attract our top choice.

All of my candidates fit your criteria in first paragraph. Yes, we will be able to attact all of those I mention except maybe Hoiberg. He's at home with a big contract and had health issues in the past. I will still take him in a heartbet, no pun intended, as he played for the Pacers and knows Indiana basketball heritage. Plus, he's a great coach!

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

We would all be with him laughing at his winning tweets. Seems to be a recruiting and other advantage if your winning. What's funny is we scoff at losing to him? Not if he's coaching here with better resources and players. I really like him as he seems to be a real players coach. Imagine the possibilities?

I was being facetious... I like Tim Miles a lot. But I happen to agree with your theory on Billy Donavon. If you told me Billy Donavon wanted to come to IU, fire Crean yesterday.

 

I just don't think he will move on until he goes to the NBA. He's done it all in college ball.

[IU Bud 445]

If Crean can stay around for a couple more years, we can get a look if Marshall has been able to sustain his success with new recruits. Sometimes coaches ride a successful recruiting class (Painter) and once those players are gone slip back to mediocrity.  I am keeping my eye on young coaches like Richard Pitino. Miles hasn't impressed me yet. Again, hire a coach with more than 2 or 3 good seasons.

 

For now, Crean is our coach and I hope we are successful and don't need to hire a coach.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

I'm all about putting feelers out but we shouldn't be shocked if it comes back to bite us. If we are putting feelers out we have to be certain we are making a change. The last thing we need is a Tim Miles telling recruits that he's been approached by IU for the job. If we aren't making a change and that happens our recruiting will slide even further.