Upset with recruiting?

[NoahW35 459]

Morgan and Anunoby are nice pieces. Priller and April were reaches, but I won't be that upset about them unless they are back next year. Holt and Hoetzel are also nice pieces.

We already have the crux of our team going forward. Blackmon, Johnson, Holt, Hartman, Williams, the 2015s, need to land a couple of interior guys now.

The recruiting isn't about what it's rated or how we compare to other schools. All that matters is what they do while they're here. If you haven't noticed, we are all over 2016, 2017, 2018, but everyone is in a holding pattern because of the status of fan unrest. See how stupid and counterproductive the outrage is? If we make a change, then that coach will be so far behind like Crean was coming in and we will miss on all of these guys IU has invested time in...

3 years ago we were all over 2014 and 2015...

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

3 years ago we were all over 2014 and 2015...

2014 looks like a solid class with two four year starters much like 2009. 2015 doesn't have an AA but there is one possibility to continue that streak. Other than not being able to replace Luke last spring, there's not a whole lot I'd change about the team right now.

[JaybobHoosier 11,843]

Get us a defensive big man who can block shots, rebound, and set screens. Wouldn't mind a pg, which I feel we need, but will be interesting how we get that many openings.

[SWEETLEMONbrown 144]

Get us at least another Tom Pritchard. Maybe less foul trouble. But we seriously need a 5 that can defend the opponent's 5 man. That to me seems like the perfect fit. Someone who can defend the opponent's Center.

[HoosierTrav 7,887]

Why's that?

. Bc he's a much better player than NZ. He is capable from 3 and gives us much more on both sides of the ball. NZ is a huge liability when he's not unconscious from beyond the 3pt line.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

So Crean gets the 4 star kid that "no one really wants"? I don't know. I feel this is another spin to fit this particular argument. And if nobody wanted him it implies Crean gets the "leftovers", which I'm sure isn't the case because Crean is a recruiting wizard.

I don't have the time to post on this forum much, but I read here and there. It seems obvious to me that you have some vested interest in Crean's regime. I'm not sure why and don't really care as I prefer message boards to be anonymous. You are quick to refute arguments, sometimes logically but usually sarcastically or tangentially, that do not align with your agenda. You rarely agree with anyone or have constructive conversation.

 

IIRC UNC kind of backed off him towards the end.  I can't remember who they landed but I thought there was talk about IU getting him because UNC backed off him.

[Five Prime 1,093]

IIRC UNC kind of backed off him towards the end. I can't remember who they landed but I thought there was talk about IU getting him because UNC backed off him.

Fair enough. I'm sure glad he ended up in Bloomington.

[HoosierD 504]

. Bc he's a much better player than NZ. He is capable from 3 and gives us much more on both sides of the ball. NZ is a huge liability when he's not unconscious from beyond the 3pt line.

I definitely agree with you that he's a better player and wouldn't argue that there's a chance he plays over him, but I think there is more to Zeisloft playing than the numbers he puts up on the court. He has a specific role that Mcintosh wouldn't fit quite as well bc of how young he is. Now ask me who id rather have and I'll take Mcintosh any day bc of his potential and like you said Zeisloft not hitting 3s might as well be on the bench. But I think Zeisloft fits this team well bc he only has to shoot and lead when he's out there. Definitely not expected to defend or be a good passer bc I couldn't tell you the last time he did either well, but you can't be mad bc that's not his role even tho that just makes me mad bc that should be in everyone's role....

[Rayl 527]

Morgan and Anunoby are nice pieces. Priller and April were reaches, but I won't be that upset about them unless they are back next year. Holt and Hoetzel are also nice pieces.

We already have the crux of our team going forward. Blackmon, Johnson, Holt, Hartman, Williams, the 2015s, need to land a couple of interior guys now.

The recruiting isn't about what it's rated or how we compare to other schools. All that matters is what they do while they're here. If you haven't noticed, we are all over 2016, 2017, 2018, but everyone is in a holding pattern because of the status of fan unrest. See how stupid and counterproductive the outrage is? If we make a change, then that coach will be so far behind like Crean was coming in and we will miss on all of these guys IU has invested time in...

That would be the case whenever a coach is let go. If we wait three years to fire Crean, then the time he spent recruiting players for 2-3 years after that would have been wasted. The argument that you shouldn't let a coach go because that might cause you to miss out on recruits that coach is working on who haven't even committed yet, isn't just silly. It's one of the stupidest arguments that could ever be made for keeping a coach. If it had any merit whatsoever, no coach from a power conference would ever be fired.

All coaches are always working on landing recruits. Sometimes they land them. Sometimes they don't. A school that wants to be anything other than mediocre cannot make its coaching decisions based on the fact that a coach might land certain recruits he's working on. Might. For all we know there are great recruits out there that might be more interested in IU if Crean is gone like Gordon had no interest in IU until Mike Davis was gone.

Argue that Crean is doing an acceptable job in recruiting and in rebuilding the program all you want. But, at least use points that make sense in doing so. The decisions that teenage boys might make in the next couple of years is not a reasonable basis for making multimillion dollar coaching decisions.

[Alford Bailey 12,385]

That would be the case whenever a coach is let go. If we wait three years to fire Crean, then the time he spent recruiting players for 2-3 years after that would have been wasted. The argument that you shouldn't let a coach go because that might cause you to miss out on recruits that coach is working on who haven't even committed yet, isn't just silly. It's one of the stupidest arguments that could ever be made for keeping a coach. If it had any merit whatsoever, no coach from a power conference would ever be fired.

All coaches are always working on landing recruits. Sometimes they land them. Sometimes they don't. A school that wants to be anything other than mediocre cannot make its coaching decisions based on the fact that a coach might land certain recruits he's working on. Might. For all we know there are great recruits out there that might be more interested in IU if Crean is gone like Gordon had no interest in IU until Mike Davis was gone.

Argue that Crean is doing an acceptable job in recruiting and in rebuilding the program all you want. But, at least use points that make sense in doing so. The decisions that teenage boys might make in the next couple of years is not a reasonable basis for making multimillion dollar coaching decisions.

I'd sure like to give it a try and see if recruiting improved minus Crean.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

That would be the case whenever a coach is let go. If we wait three years to fire Crean, then the time he spent recruiting players for 2-3 years after that would have been wasted. The argument that you shouldn't let a coach go because that might cause you to miss out on recruits that coach is working on who haven't even committed yet, isn't just silly. It's one of the stupidest arguments that could ever be made for keeping a coach. If it had any merit whatsoever, no coach from a power conference would ever be fired.

All coaches are always working on landing recruits. Sometimes they land them. Sometimes they don't. A school that wants to be anything other than mediocre cannot make its coaching decisions based on the fact that a coach might land certain recruits he's working on. Might. For all we know there are great recruits out there that might be more interested in IU if Crean is gone like Gordon had no interest in IU until Mike Davis was gone.

Argue that Crean is doing an acceptable job in recruiting and in rebuilding the program all you want. But, at least use points that make sense in doing so. The decisions that teenage boys might make in the next couple of years is not a reasonable basis for making multimillion dollar coaching decisions.

You don't think that's obvious? Everyone here knows that. That's not the argument I'm making. It's a consequence, not a reason not to fire someone. I didn't think that needed spelling out. It's cost/benefit. Some are willing to go all in. I don't think that's necessary yet. Stevens could potentially be available in two years, not now.

[jonz44 810]

I'm just saying if we're going to take low rated recruits like April and Priller I'd rather us take these type of kids from the state. I would rather see guys like McIntosh, Sellers, and Sam Longwood on our team than guys like Priller, April and Robinson that give us nothing.

I'd rather we just leave the scholly open than tie it for four years on a player we HOPE can contribute in their third or fourth year.

[jonz44 810]

Morgan and Anunoby are nice pieces. Priller and April were reaches, but I won't be that upset about them unless they are back next year. Holt and Hoetzel are also nice pieces.

We already have the crux of our team going forward. Blackmon, Johnson, Holt, Hartman, Williams, the 2015s, need to land a couple of interior guys now.

The recruiting isn't about what it's rated or how we compare to other schools. All that matters is what they do while they're here. If you haven't noticed, we are all over 2016, 2017, 2018, but everyone is in a holding pattern because of the status of fan unrest. See how stupid and counterproductive the outrage is? If we make a change, then that coach will be so far behind like Crean was coming in and we will miss on all of these guys IU has invested time in...

Sooo...don't make a change because it might be worse? Settle for mediocre?

And for your other comment about those "on the ground". The times that they criticize each other are few and far between. Js

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Sooo...don't make a change because it might be worse? Settle for mediocre?

And for your other comment about those "on the ground". The times that they criticize each other are few and far between. Js

How is keeping Crean settling for mediocrity? I didn't say this is the be all end all for why we shouldn't make a change. Just pointing out that consequence. It's much bigger than recruiting.

[87ashtonhoosier 150]

How is keeping Crean settling for mediocrity? I didn't say this is the be all end all for why we shouldn't make a change. Just pointing out that consequence. It's much bigger than recruiting.

What is the remedy then?

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,276]

Yes, please give us the remedy

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

What is the remedy then?

The remedy for what?

[jonz44 810]

How is keeping Crean settling for mediocrity? I didn't say this is the be all end all for why we shouldn't make a change. Just pointing out that consequence. It's much bigger than recruiting.

I personally am not satisfied with our record on the floor. I'll give him a pass on the first two years but from the third year on I don't feel we've excelled. Yes we did well the two years Cody was in Bloomington but I personally don't think the sweet sixteen is excelling for IUBB.

You stated that if Crean was terminated the new coach would have to start all over and the work invested in recruits would be wasted. To Mr that is defeatist thinking. In two years if we've stayed at the same level what is the prognosis then? We can't make a change because then those two years would be wasted?

All that said I'm not necessarily advocating getting rid of Crean immediately. There have been times after certain losses that I wouldn't have shed many tears if he was gone by sunup but after a night to calm down I usually return to the thought that barring a total collapse or major scandal he should get this season and next.

Concerning the other part of my post. When have you ever heard analyst/commentators really criticize current coaches?

[FKfootball 1,046]

Goodluck Okonoboh was a big miss. Hes already a good rim protector.

[jonz44 810]

I do feel that the right coach could step in and have success immediately. I'm not a Crean fan or hater. I don't want much. Just win...a lot! Lol