Upset with recruiting?

[rossellis 1]

Is anyone else a little upset with recruiting this year? I don't think that it is very hard to see after last night that what we need the most is a big man that is a force inside. Juwan Morgan and Ogugua Anunoby look like solid players but don't look like the kind of players we need right now. Caleb Swanigan is in state and it seems like he isn't even considering IU.
Is this Creans plan to stay small and try to outrun everyone with athletic players? Or is he just not recruiting the right people hard enough?

[FKfootball 1,046]

We didnt need anymore wings and we signed 2 of them! PG and C were the needs. Neither was addressed. Sick of Creans roster management.

[moyemayhem 1,287]

I think there are two big problems right now...  It's partially the recruiting strategy of Crean to target long wings and partially that the big men we do actually target are concerned that they may not be a good fit within Crean's offensive system and end up looking elsewhere.

[FKfootball 1,046]

I think there are two big problems right now... It's partially the recruiting strategy of Crean to target long wings and partially that the big men we do actually target are concerned that they may not be a good fit within Crean's offensive system and end up looking elsewhere.

Thats......not gonna work in this conference. Hes a mid-major coach. This is how those teams play.

[rossellis 1]

I feel like recruiting a big man should be no problem though. They could play for a historic program and also they would get immediate playing time. Look what Zeller did in two years.

[KingPG21 6,584]

I would have never guessed IU fans were upset with recruiting. We only have two threads a week talking about it

[ctown2grhoosier 380]

Not only do we continue to sign unbalanced classes, but why do we go out and sign worthless out of state recruits like Jurkin, Priller, April, etc when we have in state kids like Sean Sellers, Sam Longwood, Bryant Mcintosh, Elliott Welmer,etc (who are higher level recruits) in our own backyard that don't even get offered scholarships. Knight would have never let players like Kellen Dunham, Bryant Mcintosh, Dee Davis, etc leave the state. Mcintosh is averaging 12ppg this year. 6-7 Sellers is averaging 11 and 6-7 Longwood is averaging 5 and 5. Think that could have helped us this year? We're literally getting 0 from Priller and April and the bare minimum from a guy like Robinson. I just do not understand his recruiting philosophy at all.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Not only do we continue to sign unbalanced classes, but why do we go out and sign worthless out of state recruits like Jurkin, Priller, April, etc when we have in state kids like Sean Sellers, Sam Longwood, Bryant Mcintosh, Elliott Welmer,etc (who are higher level recruits) in our own backyard that don't even get offered scholarships. Knight would have never let players like Kellen Dunham, Bryant Mcintosh, Dee Davis, etc leave the state. Mcintosh is averaging 12ppg this year. 6-7 Sellers is averaging 11 and 6-7 Longwood is averaging 5 and 5. Think that could have helped us this year? We're literally getting 0 from Priller and April and the bare minimum from a guy like Robinson. I just do not understand his recruiting philosophy at all.

Classic! Crean should've offered Elliot Welmer; what in the hell was he thinking signing Fischer? Obviously a home schooled kid would never make it at an elite program like IU.

[87ashtonhoosier 150]

Not only do we continue to sign unbalanced classes, but why do we go out and sign worthless out of state recruits like Jurkin, Priller, April, etc when we have in state kids like Sean Sellers, Sam Longwood, Bryant Mcintosh, Elliott Welmer,etc (who are higher level recruits) in our own backyard that don't even get offered scholarships. Knight would have never let players like Kellen Dunham, Bryant Mcintosh, Dee Davis, etc leave the state. Mcintosh is averaging 12ppg this year. 6-7 Sellers is averaging 11 and 6-7 Longwood is averaging 5 and 5. Think that could have helped us this year? We're literally getting 0 from Priller and April and the bare minimum from a guy like Robinson. I just do not understand his recruiting philosophy at all.

Excellent point, one I've tried making about many IU sports for the past 10 years.
The problem is that recruiters are lazy these days and want to go to AAU cattle calls where they can scout several players at once. Used to be that they would show at the high school gyms. Combine that with recruiting services that are essentially agents, and you can see where we are.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Yep, recruiters are so lazy these days. These days...

[87ashtonhoosier 150]

Not just basketball, all sports. We've gotten lazy with recruiting.
Example, my daughter played on number one ranked volleyball team in indiana last year. Ranked number 16 in the nation, lost only 4 sets the entire regular season. Four hitters 6' or taller, excellent defense, with a 9 point per set win advantage. Three of the girls are playing D1 elsewhere. IU did not even watch one of their games, let alone recruit any of the players. This from one of the bottom teams of the big ten. It's almost like they preferred recruiting from out of state because the recruiter didn't have confidence in indiana volleyball play.
I see it every time I look at rosters, the only exception being womens crew.

[DawgBawls 712]

Classic! Crean should've offered Elliot Welmer; what in the hell was he thinking signing Fischer? Obviously a home schooled kid would never make it at an elite program like IU.

I hope you were being sarcastic about homeschoolers. If not, just to inform you IU High School is the #2 homeschool program in country.

[Mike AMS 38]

Not sure why everyone is saying we aren't recruiting centers/bigs? We have done an awesome job at this and appear to be one of the leading collegiate programs when it comes to signing centers who fit perfectly.... in my opinion....

Sincerely signed... ~ Bloomington Shin and Leg Injury Hospital for Basketball Players (who never will contribute)

[johnsoniu 6,423]

Not just basketball, all sports. We've gotten lazy with recruiting.
Example, my daughter played on number one ranked volleyball team in indiana last year. Ranked number 16 in the nation, lost only 4 sets the entire regular season. Four hitters 6' or taller, excellent defense, with a 9 point per set win advantage. Three of the girls are playing D1 elsewhere. IU did not even watch one of their games, let alone recruit any of the players. This from one of the bottom teams of the big ten. It's almost like they preferred recruiting from out of state because the recruiter didn't have confidence in indiana volleyball play.
I see it every time I look at rosters, the only exception being womens crew.

 

Does your daughter attend Marian?

[Scooter D 928]

Having given it some thought, CTC should obviously be managing the roster better, but if we think about it, in the first three years under CTC, IU was never going to score a quality big man. We just weren't good enough. In 2011, we score CZ, an in-state 5-star kid. Great, we think we are getting on the right track. Everyone figures that he at IU for at least 3 years. Now we have a quality big. He decides in 2013 to bolt for the NBA, ok that sucks, but no problem, in 2013 we bring in 5-star NV and 4-star LF, plus at this point, I beleive that we still have TL, a 5-star in-state kid committed to coming to IU. Great. Things are looking up, but in 2014 everything falls to ****. NV decides to go pro, which everyone, except NV and his agent knows is a bad idea. LF leaves. Even if NV leaves after one year, we, including CTC, probably thought that we had a very serviceble big man for years to come, with TL still in the wings. Then TL gets the better offer and the train wreck has finally come to halt. I think that the situation that IU is in is part due to their own success and at the same time a little bad luck and trying to compete with the likes of UK, which we clearly cannot do.

For all coaches, except Calipari, recruiting is a lot about relationships, and CTC probably stoped making those contacts and building those relationships because we had big men coming out of our *****. Now don't get me wrong, CTC is still to blame for this, as he never should have stopped recruiting big men, but I think that he needs to adjust his tactic. He needs to be going after a high 4-star, who will stick around to give the team some stability. Stability is really what the team needs more than anything. FFS, Painter has Hammonds, who should be, given is talent but is too lazy, a top NBA prospect, but did Painter rest there, no he went out and got another 7-footer. He was not a highly prized recruit, but he will be there for a few years.

My point being is that it appears that CTC can recruit the big man, but getting the right one to stay is the problem and the key.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

I think there are two big problems right now...  It's partially the recruiting strategy of Crean to target long wings and partially that the big men we do actually target are concerned that they may not be a good fit within Crean's offensive system and end up looking elsewhere.

Crean addressed this recently. This is transcribed by McCarthy at 24/7 but was free...

 

 

 

 

 

 

During Indiana head coach Tom Crean's weekly radio show Monday night, a fan known only as "Scott in Fort Wayne" asked Crean an interesting question relating to Crean's recruiting approach. With IU not really using a true big man this season, does that make it easier or harder to recruit centers and power forwards? Crean answered:

 

 

"Dominant big men are hard all-around to get. We've gotten a couple of them, in the sense of Cody and Noah. Ours are getting better. I would think an inside player would know a couple of things:

That they have a chance to get better on the perimeter, which is where 99 percent of them would like to improve upon, andThat they're going to get the ball.

When you have shooting like we have and we're going to continue to recruit, it makes it very, very hard for people to double-team you. And that we'd really like to play through in the post and in the high post, not only go to.

 

It really depends. We're not going to take, now last year, we were short without question, so we had to scramble a little bit, but I like the two guys that we signed early, Juwan (Morgan) and OG (Anunoby). Those guys can do a lot of different things at 6-7, 6-8. We don't want anybody who doesn't come in with a real upside skill-wise, and toughness with an intelligence that you have to have. We've certainly got a couple people in our mind that we're recruiting accurately, I don't think that's any secret, and we're also doing the same thing in the junior and sophomore class, so it remains to be seen. We're open to a lot of different options."

[Hoosiernsavga 92]

The sad thing is, even though it would be great we don't even need a 5 star C. We just need a 5 who is 6'10+ that is fundamentally sound that can defend on the post and rebound. Nothing great just a true 5 that can play his role.
Less of Jobes, Munirus, and Aprils and more like a George Leach (2004 Hoosier just an example) type.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

The sad thing is, even though it would be great we don't even need a 5 star C. We just need a 5 who is 6'10+ that is fundamentally sound that can defend on the post and rebound. Nothing great just a true 5 that can play his role.

Until we lose a big game due to our 5 being a role player, or in a bad matchup, etc. Then it will be identified as a recruiting error/coaching failure. See how easy that is.

Since our roster construction is so terrible and coach clearly has shown no prior ability to build a winning team: All Crean needs to do is chart out his roster 4 years in the future so he can keep track of when to fill needs....... <--- this is the kind of thing that gets said on here. This isn't some video game.

[ctown2grhoosier 380]

Classic! Crean should've offered Elliot Welmer; what in the hell was he thinking signing Fischer? Obviously a home schooled kid would never make it at an elite program like IU.

Not saying we shouldn't sign out of state talent. I would have signed Fischer over Welmer without a doubt. It's going out of state and offering the lower rated guys like Jurkin, Capo, April, Priller, Robinson, etc instead of offering kids in your own backyard like Dunham, McIntosh, Sellers, etc. Why do we do that? You realize those 3 never even received offers from IU? Just blows my mind.

[KingPG21 6,584]

Not only do we continue to sign unbalanced classes, but why do we go out and sign worthless out of state recruits like Jurkin, Priller, April, etc when we have in state kids like Sean Sellers, Sam Longwood, Bryant Mcintosh, Elliott Welmer,etc (who are higher level recruits) in our own backyard that don't even get offered scholarships. Knight would have never let players like Kellen Dunham, Bryant Mcintosh, Dee Davis, etc leave the state. Mcintosh is averaging 12ppg this year. 6-7 Sellers is averaging 11 and 6-7 Longwood is averaging 5 and 5. Think that could have helped us this year? We're literally getting 0 from Priller and April and the bare minimum from a guy like Robinson. I just do not understand his recruiting philosophy at all.

Wait, you're complaining about Crean not getting McIntosh, because that is a bull carp argument. McIntosh was a 3 star guard, who would have probably played more off the ball. We don't really need more off the ball guards. Not to mention he wasn't highly rated, look at guys like Etherington, Davis, and Hartman. All low rated Indiana kids he go, that plenty in the fan base didn't want because of their ranking. I'm not even a fan of his recruiting, but these arguments aren't exactly fair