Max Hoetzel starts a petition

[Banksyrules 5,036]

Typical lib response, discredit, name call, act superior. Grow up kid, get a JOB and then we can have a discussion!

lol

[jonz44 810]

I agree 100%. I had an interesting discussion with a vet the other day. He mentioned how he appreciates how people thank him for his service, but he also acknowledged that he wished that people would follow up by asking "tell me about your service " . What u realize is the type of psychological problems these kids deal with and how transitioning to get jobs is rather difficult. That needs to change.

Amen. I've always avoided speaking to them about it because I know some don't like to speak about it but a couple of times lately I've asked where they've been and told them thanks for their service.

That can be some really tough stuff to deal with. REALLY tough!

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,279]

Amen. I've always avoided speaking to them about it because I know some don't like to speak about it but a couple of times lately I've asked where they've been and told them thanks for their service.

That can be some really tough stuff to deal with. REALLY tough!

as one of those vets...7 combat long tours....and many missions and operations....it would really be good to ask about their service.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

As a Vietnam vet, Its nice to see the current vets acknowledged, and thanked. I was never thanked by anyone, until this current generation of vets started coming home. Then and only then, people thought about those other vets from the 60 & 70s.

[Naturalhoosier 15,439]

As a Vietnam vet, Its nice to see the current vets acknowledged, and thanked. I was never thanked by anyone, until this current generation of vets started coming home. Then and only then, people thought about those other vets from the 60 & 70s.

My father was a Vietnam Vet.  He steered my brother and I as far away from the military as possible based on his experiences.  It's nice to see our true American Heroes receive the respect they deserve.  It's unfortunate that it took so long for that to happen.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

I do agree on your statement regarding farmers but I would say that it is somewhat cruel.

My father-in-law used to raise hogs and I've spent many a day helping him. He didn't raise them in confinement crates. He felt it led to disease.

 

If I were a farmer I believe I would raise them differently but that is just me sitting at my place in Hawaii thinking aloud (typing on a computer).  I grew up near farms and worked on a farm for a summer but I don't have all the details.  I do know, in some instances, that when animals are taken care of the meat sells for far more.  See: Kobe beef

[LIHoosier 26,807]

Just got back. I know a bit about this topic because I have a lot of friends from the new jersey legislator.It was a big deal because Doug Christie opposed this bill despite93% (yup 93%) approval rating to pass the bill ( so he could supposedly look good for the Iowa primary). In their independent study they concluded that animal were being tortured because they couldn't turn around 24/7 and not allowed to leave at all. They have recorded evidence of them screaming in pain and shifting left to right, trying to leave. I get that farmers get a bad break, but it's inhuman.

lol, couldn't handle Kobe or Hurricane Sandy.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

As a Vietnam vet, Its nice to see the current vets acknowledged, and thanked. I was never thanked by anyone, until this current generation of vets started coming home. Then and only then, people thought about those other vets from the 60 & 70s.

 

My father is also a Vietnam vet but steered me towards enlisting.  Really weird as he disliked the military.  Thank you for your service.

[JSHoosier 20,758]

My father was a Vietnam Vet.  He steered my brother and I as far away from the military as possible based on his experiences.  It's nice to see our true American Heroes receive the respect they deserve.  It's unfortunate that it took so long for that to happen.

My father was as well, 3 tours in Vietnam and 21 years in the Air Force.  He always told me not to joinl

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

My father is also a Vietnam vet but steered me towards enlisting. Really weird as he disliked the military. Thank you for your service.

Thanks Aloha. You are also thanked for yours. I worked for many years in the airport, and was always pleasantly surprised by the general publics display of thanks to vets. 40 years ago, it was just different feelings and times.

[jonz44 810]

As a Vietnam vet, Its nice to see the current vets acknowledged, and thanked. I was never thanked by anyone, until this current generation of vets started coming home. Then and only then, people thought about those other vets from the 60 & 70s.

My first job out of high school in the early eighties I worked with a guy who was a Vietnam vet.

Took a few years but he did talk to me a little. Some of the things he told me of his experience were pretty crazy.

[BGleas 7,917]

I spent some time recently with a new friend who is an Iraq War vet. He began telling me stories about his service and then mentioned that his wife had told him not to do that. She had good intentions, but thought I wouldn't want to hear it or would find it boring.

I told him the funny thing is that us civilians want to hear the stories, but are a bit intimidated (mainly because we're unsure if they really want to discuss it) to ask, when conversely vets want to share, but are afraid that civilians will be uncomfortable.

I thanked him for his service and told him I'm happy to listen to any of the stories he wanted to share. I live right down the street from a military base, so find that dynamic really interesting.

I agree 100%. I had an interesting discussion with a vet the other day. He mentioned how he appreciates how people thank him for his service, but he also acknowledged that he wished that people would follow up by asking "tell me about your service " . What u realize is the type of psychological problems these kids deal with and how transitioning to get jobs is rather difficult. That needs to change.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

Thanks Aloha. You are also thanked for yours. I worked for many years in the airport, and was always pleasantly surprised by the general publics display of thanks to vets. 40 years ago, it was just different feelings and times.

 

Thanks and from what you, my father, and others have said it is a lot different.  My only thing is people need to separate their indifference with the wars with military members.  My father was drafted and I signed before 9/11, hoping to travel, mature, and receive money for college.  Man, that day pretty much flipped the course of my life. 

 

I can understand how it can be difficult for civilians to try to talk to military members about their service.  Some days, some people I can/do talk other days/people I don't care to talk.  I think a lot has to do with how close you are to them and how you approach it.  It is appreciated even if we don't always talk.

[bnkepner 1,509]

I thought this was a site to discuss IU BASKETBALL??

[Hovadipo 57,394]

I thought this was a site to discuss IU BASKETBALL??

Not necessarily. There are some great off topic discussions on here. The political argument currently going on is pretty annoying though.

[bnkepner 1,509]

Not necessarily. There are some great off topic discussions on here. The political argument currently going on is pretty annoying though.

Well this particular forum is for "Indiana Hoosiers Basketball", which none of this has anything to do with.

I agree that there can be off topic discussion but it should stay to at least basketball because there are other forums and places where people can go spread their ideas of politics and their opinions.

Politics shouldn't be on here because it always leads to the same result…nothing

[Hovadipo 57,394]

Well this particular forum is for "Indiana Hoosiers Basketball", which none of this has anything to do with.
I agree that there can be off topic discussion but it should stay to at least basketball because there are other forums and places where people can go spread their ideas of politics and their opinions.
Politics shouldn't be on here because it always leads to the same result…nothing

The mods will put an end to it if they think they need to. It is just a forum after all.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

I can give a head nod that people need to, in general, take care of their fellow man a little more and chill on the animal love. Basically, quit acting like all organizations that are helping families in 3rd world countries are a scam and then pour out compassion over Sarah McLoughlin commercials for animals. To each his own obviously. I just have family members who scoff at bums living on the street being deadbeats and feed and home 10 different rescue animals at the same time. I've lacked perspective before on topics though but I don't feel like I have the priority out of order here.

However, glad Max is trying to do something positive as a project.

Yeah, but our fellow man would never be forced to live under those conditions. Charles Manson has spent the last 40 years in vastly superior lodging than these animals.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

Ok, but really....how do you know that this is torture to the hogs?  I'm sure I wouldn't like being in there, but I'm a human.  I have different thoughts and feelings than a pig.  Trying to project human emotions into pigs is obtuse.  For all we know, it may be comforting for pigs to be held tightly like that.  We have no idea.

 

Go IU

Except the whole, pigs run where ever the hell they want when not confined. The sure as hell don't hunt for the nearest corner to squeeze into. Obtuse is having the slightest inkling that pigs are indifferent to those conditions.

[GloryDays 5,958]

http://www.beyondfactoryfarming.org/get-informed/industrial-vs-family-farms-comparison

 

 

 This is an interesting comparison of the two very different ways to raise animals for slaughter.

The practice of confinement farming has far reaching consequences to the environment and poses health risks to the consumer.

  I wonder if some of the posters who think cheep bacon is all that matters would feel that way if they had this type operation in their community.